https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/10/the-cdcs-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-the-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/ Here's another point of view of healthcare

but also far harder for people who say cannot afford the tax hike

what about them?

feeding their family?

I can pull this shite too

What happens when the institution that is suppose to keep you healthy is actually making you sick?

some people you cannot help, I learned that in a desert of people that couldn't be helped

Yeah which is why I specificed that tax increases should come form the wealthy

no shit you were in a desert lol

but that could effect businesses

that could put people out of the job

what do you mean @Skyfire

that could put more people in positions where they cant pay

@wahx https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/10/the-cdcs-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-the-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/

unemployment is historically low... it's a great time for something like this

no

it's not

yeah sounds like the CDC fucked up @Skyfire

doesn't mean universal healthcare is a bad idea, this is a very specific example of a mistake

CDC and healthcare are in the same boat

well thank god you told me that @Alix

yes but saying that a boat gave you a splinter doesn't mean the boat is going down

you can tax from the rich, but it wont solve the root of the problem

often it is a sign of whats to come

^^^

can be, could also not be

depending on...everything else

heres one

also when have misreported flu shot deaths been a sign of things to come?

Before the income tax in the states, where did roads come from?

idk! tell meh

and the splinter analogy

the root of the problem is the corrupt people who control the people who run healthcare

splintering is a sign of rot or degredation in boats

@Skyfire healthcare is largely privatized in the us, what do you mean by that

because I agree

right but saying we should ditch the boat because of a splinter is...dumb

was my point

on the surface its privatized, but who is affiliated with these companies? the corrupt are

it means to reseal the wood

ok so privatized industries get corrupt! glad we agree on this