and they've worked hard

but are still very sick

just fuck em?

reach out for help

where?

church

good start

religious organizations love to help

what if these people are in a hospital and can't afford their bill

Why should we rely on these random institutions?

then most often the hospital will front it

It's far more efficient to just have a system set up to do this automatically

front it

doesn't mean pay for it

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/10/the-cdcs-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-the-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/ Here's another point of view of healthcare

but also far harder for people who say cannot afford the tax hike

what about them?

feeding their family?

I can pull this shite too

What happens when the institution that is suppose to keep you healthy is actually making you sick?

some people you cannot help, I learned that in a desert of people that couldn't be helped

Yeah which is why I specificed that tax increases should come form the wealthy

no shit you were in a desert lol

but that could effect businesses

that could put people out of the job

what do you mean @Skyfire

that could put more people in positions where they cant pay

@wahx https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/10/the-cdcs-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-the-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/

unemployment is historically low... it's a great time for something like this

no

it's not

yeah sounds like the CDC fucked up @Skyfire

doesn't mean universal healthcare is a bad idea, this is a very specific example of a mistake

CDC and healthcare are in the same boat

well thank god you told me that @Alix

yes but saying that a boat gave you a splinter doesn't mean the boat is going down

you can tax from the rich, but it wont solve the root of the problem

often it is a sign of whats to come

^^^

can be, could also not be

depending on...everything else