and the southern border is a mess with constant attacks on border patrol

that crime is prosecuted at the same level as a speeding ticket most of the time

if it's a crime at all, most of the time they're seeking asylum

which is legal

so I'm sticking with they're less dangerous because there's decent evidence of that

But anyway the original point is that this has tinges of racist propaganda to it. And that's not to say Trump is racist because I can't prove that and don't want to, but this does incite racists.

Like saying that both sides at Charlottesville were equivalent, however he phrased that, when one side was filled with white supremacists who killed someone

I don't know if he's racist but I do think he knows that *some* of his base is racist so it's smart to stoke the fire

also here's a libertarian think tank study that came to the conclusion that undocumented immigrants don't affect crime in a dangerous way https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant but idk if you believe in sociology, several people here don't

@wahx well that’s not the case

Private does not mean capitalist

Venezuela’s economy has strong state intervention

This is also shown by the fact it has the lowest economic freedom score

It is socialist

Lmao it doesn’t matter

One crime is too much

See I don't think you know what socialism means then. Socialism is the people owning the means of production. That is not the case in much of Venezuela's economy. That's all I'm saying.

I understand socialist

Socialism

Also yeah a LIBERTARIAN think tank won’t have a biased

And that’s the wrong definition

AT ALLLLL

It’s either workers or state owned means of production

Not only workers

However if the economy is has strong state intervention, it is indirectly controlled by the state

Enough so , to be called socialist

Ok, we have different definitions, that's fine. I don't remember what the original point was.

I don't want the US to become venezuela, no one does

If venezeula is socialist or not

ok and we have different definitions of socialism so it's going to stay unanswered in this discussion

that's fine

At best you can call it an unfree cronyism

alright

Btw no one can have different definitions there is only one. Just saying

that's pretty reductive. Socialism is a broad concept. Is there only one definition to nature, to government? Concepts are broad dude, our language doesn't allow for absolutism in definitions

only a sith deals in absolutes lol, my favorite ironic phrase

Well that would be the definition

Accepted by many

The state or worker control of the means of production

when I google socialism I get "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." And I accept your definition as *one* definition of socialism, but the part of your definition that talks about a state controlled means of production is not necessarily regulated by the community is it?

so I take issue with the inclusion of totalitarian state run economies I guess, because they are not "socialized" by the community, but rather by the state who may not have the interests of the public at heart