Message from @Jerm
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main thrust of why I say he is a bad leader is because he is untrustworthy and deliberately divisive
So @Tom_Servo , what exactly are you arguing?
@Tom_Servo that's an opinion.
based on evidence
False.
okay, so you would say Trump is not divisive and no more dishonest than any other leader?
To say "bad leader" is a moral judgement. Moral judgements are subjective.
@Tom_Servo he’s a pretty good leader, and I’m saying that as someone who isn’t a big fan of trump
of course it is subjective thats what an opinion is, that doesnt make it something not rooted in evidence though
Millions will argue that he is a good leader.
just facts less important to you than me
Arguing over him being good or bad is silly.
You're using moral judgements - not facts.
you asked the question mate
This is a fact:
Has federal spending increased or decreased?
This is not a fact:
"He is a bad leader."
fair enough... that was my opinion, but I thought the rest of my point explained why I have that opinion
trustworthiness can be proved
I like Trump because he is not afraid to speak and is not PC... That is being fearless in my opinion
his divisiveness can be proved
I like Trump and think he's doing a great job at annoying the media. That's my opinion.
58 million voted for him.
I only like trump because he is a trolling legend😂
We should all end our comments with "in my opinion"
Arguing over him being a good or bad leader is hilariously stupid.
What do the markets say?
Let's go look.
@Jerm it is hillarious that you do exactly what you accuse the left of
"I don't like him because he's divisive."
Bush was divisive.
Because he headed up a party that was in opposition to another party.
not deliberately to shore up power
To be honest, all leaders are divisive
he was divisive on policy
If you are part of a party with views that differ from another, OF COURSE you will be divisive.
What's wrong with being divisive?
Helen Zille is divisive.
nothing... I didn't realise that I would have to be so specific in everything I said here. The implication was that deliberate divisiveness is what I have an issue with
I do not think it is sustainable
in the long term, and feeds into identity politics