The left will be the first to die

https://www.fin24.com/Markets/Currencies/rand-plunges-on-renewed-land-reform-rumours-moodys-warning-20180815 Economics....

"ANC chairperson Gwede Mantashe told News24 in an exclusive interview that the Constitution must be amended to limit land ownership to 12 000 hectares per farm owner, and white farmers who own more than that should hand over the rest to the state without compensation." wtf

I say, lets just go to war now and get it over with

@AcidOverride I agree

@AcidOverride yeah read that as well.....sooo is just me or is the ANC back tracking from their original modus operandi because they fear war.....or maybe that is just a complete lie and they are just saying this to calm the status quo

The article says "One of the ways EWC could be implemented".... What he is saying is that this is one of the ideas on EWC and not set in stone

exactly! again no clear and cut way forward...always curve balls to throw us of from the truth

@AcidOverride Do you think we are at a point where war is inevitable, or do you think cool heads can still prevail?

Second question, how do you think landowners would do in a war?

@Tom_Servo one thing is for sure.....the boere are not going to stand back and watch how a gov just takes land without compensation....it is not our way and our culture. we don't giving land for nothing....like my father taught me NOTHING is for free in life not even the air you breath....hope that answers your question

@Tom_Servo At some point the balloon has to pop... I think people are reaching that point where they have no other way to turn to. War is realistic in my opinion, however, when you look at the numbers, can a minority really make a real difference in a war? Lastly, People tent to really have an impact when their backs are against the wall and when you are fighting for your survival, you have a purpose and with purpose comes determination.

@Robzombie Doesn't really answer it at all actually... but I think you are prob right in what you do say

But those who do start a war will be labelled terrorists

@Roovdwalt funny enough, go to any boer now and tell him "but we are out numbered" that boer will simply reply "so were we in blood river, history tends to repeat itself"

@Robzombie exactly, and that is why I say determination plays a big factor in any war

I also believe Farmers are smarter and can outwit our useless military

@Roovdwalt It's hard to see a war result go any way other than to those who control the army here... I know our army isn't the greatest force anymore, but I reckon landowners are simply outgunned (forget the numbers).

Doubt much support would come from abroad. We aren't that strategically important anymore.

@Tom_Servo I disagree on support, I think they would get support. I am optimistic enough to believe some governments around the globe will come to their senses, maybe not immediately, but soon enough.

There are secret groups currently being commissioned (as well as voluntary) to protect farms. And I'm not talking about random guys with guns. Those who believe farmers are on their own, are mistaken.

Of course, I could also be talking rubbish. *wink*

From an outgunned perspective, I agree, but "n Boer maak n plan"

@Tom_Servo look we don't want war, it is literally the last thing we want, some boere came up with great alternative ideas to solve the land issue but gov doesn't want to budge.....so wat else is there to do...defend what you have....and @Roovdwalt is right those that will appose the gov will be labeled traitors and terrorists....ironically the NP did the same thing to ANC resistance in the apartheid. and if one boer stands up we all do.....its our culture again and our pride i guess

@Roovdwalt Maybe... but China is more interested in us than the increasingly isolationist West (economically). Any western power getting involved would be doing so without a real economic upside, plus China would prob side with govt... so there is that to consider

we could be the future balkans

war wise

I suggest disabling notification to mentions only

That is why I am an advocate for Firearms, we should all have them and we should be stocking them up... and on the plus side, we can do this legally and by doing it legally, it also means we are doing the correct training as well

@Rendier you should be able to mute the channel for yourself on the top right corner

also true, but it might chase new people away

50 bucks says this chat on war makes it into Adriaan's article.

@Rendier Some of us prefer the notifications on some channels, Maybe we should "Pin" a message to let everyone know how to disable notifications if it is bothering them

China will off course side with the ANC, they invested billions into our country and they want a ROI (minerals ring a bell)

plus you make a big mistake to think our army is going to be a resistance....despite popular belief that our army is mostly black is a lie, and should civil war break out the ANC fears that there will be a divide in our army as the white oukes won't fight (speculation) plus most of our armies heavy equipment is not in working order and mostly decommed....

1. Before a war starts, it can be avoided. I just don't think our government cares.
2. I think they (land owners) will do just fine if they band together.

How to Mute channels on Discord: https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/209791877-How-do-I-mute-and-disable-notifications-for-specific-channels-

hahaha @Jerm just change the notification settings for all

My fear isn't war at all....my fear is the racial damages that this whole EWC/land issue caused and will probably cause even more because we have a non negotiable gov. Looking at social media, a lot of hate has sprung up in the last year because all sides refuse to sit around a table and talk about the issues in our land....how do WE come back from this while we are head deep in.

No-one debates anymore, and the ones that do don't have real power

yeah that and they refuse to be open minded and look at situations/opinions from different perspectives other than their own. hell do not even mention the words 'look at it objectively' to the left, as they will immediately throw in the "white fragility" card in your face

no man @Rendier play a real game like battlefield 😄

Someone should Pieter that comments like this are bound to make farmers with more than 120k hectares of land panic

he should be more responsible in what he says

"By 13:30 the rand was trading 3.35% weaker at R14.72 against the US dollar, bringing its loss this month to almost 10%."

10% for any currency in such a short time spells disaster