Message from @Cortah

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2020-01-17 00:36:59 UTC  

gimmie

2020-01-17 00:52:54 UTC  

@Cortah by your logic then Boeing and Lockheed by extension are sub-branches of the US military because they develop jets used by the US military. They use federal loans to help develop said jets as well.

2020-01-17 00:53:49 UTC  

So let me ask you guys this. What caused the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis?

2020-01-17 00:55:03 UTC  

The exact same thing interest rates being set to 1% and increased liquidity being pumped into housing through subprime incentives.

2020-01-17 00:56:24 UTC  

Not glass stegal repeal

2020-01-17 00:56:28 UTC  

And who were the ones handing out these mortgages with 1% interest rates to people who could not afford them?

2020-01-17 00:56:45 UTC  

The interest for mortgages werent 1%

2020-01-17 00:56:50 UTC  

That was the fed funds rate

2020-01-17 00:57:02 UTC  

Where banks borrow from

2020-01-17 00:57:48 UTC  

So you're basically saying that the feds enabled this bad business practice of the banks due to their low-interest rates to the banks themselves?

2020-01-17 00:58:17 UTC  

Yes

2020-01-17 00:59:03 UTC  

And governments forcing subprime motgages

2020-01-17 00:59:04 UTC  

But you admit that the banks were the ones who were actually doing the bad business practices that lead to the crash correct?

2020-01-17 00:59:08 UTC  

Yes

2020-01-17 00:59:44 UTC  

Im not pro government business mixing

2020-01-17 00:59:51 UTC  

So then you agree that both the 08 crash and the great depression were caused because the banks got greedy.

2020-01-17 01:00:00 UTC  

They shouldnt have bailed them ouy

2020-01-17 01:00:14 UTC  

On that we can agree.

2020-01-17 01:00:17 UTC  

To an extent yeah

2020-01-17 01:00:38 UTC  

But i blame the root cause

2020-01-17 01:00:48 UTC  

The fed and the government

2020-01-17 01:01:00 UTC  

Sure. But the root cause was lack of government oversight and lack of consumer protections.

2020-01-17 01:01:56 UTC  

The root cause was governments in uk and us mainly getting banks to lend to people who couldmt repay the loans without teaser rates

2020-01-17 01:02:25 UTC  

They gave the banks access to very cheap money

2020-01-17 01:02:40 UTC  

and got them to lend to basically anyone who wanted to buy a home

2020-01-17 01:02:50 UTC  

Government guaranteed it which is the issue

2020-01-17 01:02:56 UTC  

And insured all the banks

2020-01-17 01:03:05 UTC  

So the banks had free reign without any risk

2020-01-17 01:04:13 UTC  

There is an innate selfishness in everyone and that can be seen in the banks, but the crash of 2008 was worsened by the guarantees made my government

2020-01-17 01:04:25 UTC  

by*

2020-01-17 01:04:33 UTC  

Ye

2020-01-17 01:04:46 UTC  

Alfie

2020-01-17 01:05:00 UTC  

hit em with that 1921 recession that blew over

2020-01-17 01:05:04 UTC  

Guaranteed accounts of the banks clients meant if they crash and collapse the government will be there to bail it out

2020-01-17 01:07:09 UTC  

Im not saying the banks are innocent Im just saying the answer to these issues isn't more government involvement because thats where these issues get exacerbated

2020-01-17 01:07:18 UTC  

Ye

2020-01-17 01:09:23 UTC  

Again. I agree that is wrong. But what I am saying. The government wasn't as involved. They basically sat a cookie jar in front of a bunch of kids and walked away. They put too much trust in the banks and let them have at it.

The government enabled this behavior but it was ultimately the fault of the banks for doing what they did.

2020-01-17 01:13:24 UTC  

The banks were made to be monopolies by the government, adding more government won't help that. It will only enable private businesses to exploit the power government has over the economy. Government guaranteed anything removes business risk so people will just spend and spend and spend

2020-01-17 01:13:43 UTC  

Spending doesnt hold up an economy, only creates a bubble

2020-01-17 01:14:16 UTC  

remove government, reincentivise saving and investment by removing lack of risk