Message from @InsaneCaterpilla

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2018-11-29 23:03:01 UTC  

For the most part I have enough sources, but that'd be nice to bridge the gap and hit the last point I need to hit

2018-11-29 23:07:49 UTC  

I like that article, the only thing missing from it is to mention the decline of such activities that they suggest should be used over the years

2018-11-29 23:08:02 UTC  

indeed

2018-11-29 23:09:12 UTC  

I probably won't mention it, but this study suggests that "sedentary recess activity" means less figeting and more attention, but vigorous recess activity doesn't help much: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Smith34/publication/249797867_School_Recess_Implications_for_Education_and_Development/links/5672a47108aeb8b21c70d119/School-Recess-Implications-for-Education-and-Development.pdf

2018-11-29 23:09:27 UTC  

It is also a 1993 study

2018-11-29 23:26:27 UTC  

Mmm, the main conclusion I get from it is that sitting indoors naturally increases boy's (and girls) need for physical activity. I wouldn't think then that "sedentary recess activity" (low levels of play) would decrease figeting in class... Which part of the study mentions that?

2018-11-29 23:49:28 UTC  

@InsaneCaterpilla see page 58 about halfway down the document, "Cognitive Outcomes". They were discussing previous work by Pellegrini and Davis

2018-11-30 00:12:45 UTC  

Hmmm. I generally agree that too much physical activity can just make students tired or 'too hyped up' perhaps leading to inattention, but less activity leading to more attention seems to go against other studies

2018-11-30 00:16:42 UTC  

Indeed, moreover, a student willingly engaging in "sedentary recess activity" could also mean they don't feel the need to move as much

2018-11-30 00:16:53 UTC  

could be a confounding variable

2018-11-30 00:17:09 UTC  

you'd need to actually put people in a room and force them play with legos or something

2018-11-30 00:17:16 UTC  

an entire classful

2018-11-30 00:31:39 UTC  

Oh, @Men Are Human, the reason the Israel study didn't cite prior literature, was because it *was* the prior literature. The betting study (Ouazad & Page) literally cites it as the prior literature and the reason the result was expected in the first place.

2018-11-30 01:02:04 UTC  

Alright, I've got a reasonable handle on the first half of something article-y, and will put it down for the day.

2018-11-30 01:03:46 UTC  

..

Boys have particular needs with regard to education. As is well known, [boys
and girls are different](
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders
), physiologically, with regard how they process
information and that has an impact on how they handle a classroom setting.
Boys have harder time sitting still and focusing on a lecture, for instance, a
very difficult behavioral difference to accomodate.

Boys' brains are also more prone to special needs. Boys are more likely to
have [learning
disabilities, speech
impediments](https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED492634.pdf), [reading
disabilities](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1469-7610.1975.tb01269.x),
[autism](https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/cdc-increases-estimate-autisms-prevalence-15-percent-1-59-children),
and of course,
[ADHD](https://adhd-institute.com/burden-of-adhd/epidemiology/gender/). And
all of these by a factor of two or more (and in the case of autism and ADHD, much more).

2018-11-30 01:03:52 UTC  

Girls fare better than boys in all all school subjects, including math and
science. Moreover, contrary to popular belief boys falling behind girls is not
new, [but has been happening for nearly a
century](https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/04/girls-grades.aspx).
The gender
Education for boys is a serious and multifaceted issue with far
reaching consequences on boys lives. The education specifically of boys
deserves special attention. In some ways the school system is responding and
making excellent progress, but in many ways this is still not the case.

In fact, schools themselves exacerbate and directly cause part of the problem.
For at least the last decade researchers have been finding that [boys score
higher when graded
anonymously](https://www.ipp.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/n14-notesIPP-december2014.pdf).
This is reliably reproduced across nationalities. For some reason, teachers
seem biased against boys: when they don't know they are grading a boy, he gets
a grade bump. And when boys are discriminated against in this way, [they
notice](http://cee.lse.ac.uk/ceedps/ceedp133.pdf), and that could affect
classroom motivation. The bias is dependent on the teacher's gender.

2018-11-30 01:04:13 UTC  

..

2018-11-30 01:04:22 UTC  

I did it in reddit format because hyperlink-text isn't a discord thing

2018-11-30 01:05:14 UTC  

Topics to discuss after the half include the reading and language gap having been (and being) addressed and successfully reduced (and probably an brief argument that schooling ought to be responsive to gendered issues for both genders), and that telegraph article:

2018-11-30 01:06:31 UTC  

@asparkofpyrokravte is there more of an intro before what you've put here?

2018-11-30 01:09:15 UTC  

No, I imagine just the title being something like "Issues for Boy's Education" and then just hitting the ground with that brief statement "Boys have particular needs with regard to education." to justify an explanation and then continuing into things. It may need improving

2018-11-30 01:13:55 UTC  

To me it does seem like more is needed mate... Something to engage readers attention to what you have to say. Just on the face of it, it looks like it wouldn't call the average persons attention to wanting to delve into these issues. Asking some questions of the readers at the start is a good tactic to engage people, just something as simple as 'why are our boys failing in schools?' 'What can we do to help our boys in school and what are the issues they face?' It may seem like handholding, but asking those questions and then leading the reader through the studies and conclusions makes them feel more involved/invested in the article

2018-11-30 01:14:27 UTC  

Ew, it does seem like handholding haha

2018-11-30 01:14:42 UTC  

But what you say is fair, it is abrupt as is

2018-11-30 18:00:33 UTC  

Looks good so far! By the way, if you do it as a word doc it might be easier and I can copy it directly across to the site, preserving all hyperlinks. Up to you if you want to.

2018-11-30 21:53:12 UTC  

Btw, I have been thinking about this idea Feminists have that men dont get scared out at night. Anyone want to try andnmake a list of similar misconceptions about men?

2018-11-30 21:54:03 UTC  

Men don't get sexist remarks made towards them.

2018-11-30 21:56:59 UTC  

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/a1apxa/after_a_lifetime_of_involvement_in_male_dominated/?utm_source=reddit-android

I saw this story and I was like wow. You've managed to be in an manly environment and not feel demeaned until NOW?

2018-11-30 21:58:18 UTC  

I regularly have stupid things said to me in my sport or listen to the women at work say sexist bullshit

2018-11-30 22:11:57 UTC  

Ditto when I was at uni.

2018-11-30 22:12:31 UTC  

There was this one awful sow I could write a whole article about. :P

2018-11-30 22:31:47 UTC  

Bearing in mind that all the people at my work are above me bar one guy who started Monday

2018-11-30 22:32:55 UTC  

Guys being raped by women is an obvious one.

2018-12-01 11:05:50 UTC  

Yep, that's a big one.

2018-12-01 11:44:48 UTC  

@Men Are Human Actually, I did end up finding something useful in the Norway Study

2018-12-01 11:44:57 UTC  

"Overall, conditional on the high-stakes central exit exams, boys outperform girls on the low-stakes national one-day tests. Thus, the hypothesis that girls perform relatively worse when stakes are high is not supported." -- This is relevant to some of the studies (like the Israel and France studies) that have different tests they use for the anonymized and non-anonymized grading

2018-12-01 11:45:15 UTC  
2018-12-01 20:46:20 UTC  

You are really putting a lot of thought into this and I really appreciate it @asparkofpyrokravte

2018-12-06 05:17:20 UTC  

Oh yeah, I saw a couple of those reddit posts