Message from @asparkofpyrokravte

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2018-12-18 14:37:08 UTC  

Yeah, the citation is for the ontario-only version

2018-12-18 14:37:27 UTC  

Okay, so what is the correct citation?

2018-12-18 14:37:49 UTC  

Finding it now

2018-12-18 14:37:59 UTC  

Thanks a lot

2018-12-18 14:43:25 UTC  

Alright

2018-12-18 14:43:26 UTC  

So

2018-12-18 14:43:40 UTC  

That says the act is right about to become law

2018-12-18 14:43:48 UTC  

There's the act

2018-12-18 14:44:05 UTC  

Thanks a lot

2018-12-18 14:44:06 UTC  

(search for Pay Equity Act)

2018-12-18 14:44:11 UTC  

I'd never have found that

2018-12-18 14:44:19 UTC  

And there is lots of news sources about this that are more...readable

2018-12-18 14:44:30 UTC  

That isn't a drop-in citation yet

2018-12-18 14:44:32 UTC  

I'm looking for that

2018-12-18 14:44:43 UTC  

Okay, good

2018-12-18 14:45:21 UTC  

@asparkofpyrokravte do you know of any occasions of the 1987 act being enforced? This new one is basically a rehash of that on a federal level right? I looked for an example of it being enforced but couldn't find any

2018-12-18 14:46:45 UTC  

@InsaneCaterpilla That's a very good idea. Since it's on a national level now, I'm asuming it will be

2018-12-18 14:48:51 UTC  

Hrm....

2018-12-18 14:49:08 UTC  

This is the Ontario act text: https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90p07

2018-12-18 14:53:48 UTC  

Okeydoke

2018-12-18 14:53:51 UTC  

So for those interested

2018-12-18 14:55:24 UTC  

Search the https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-86/first-reading for "Comparison of Compensation" and the Ontario act for "Basis of comparison" and "Comparison of job classes"

2018-12-18 15:24:18 UTC  

Okeydoke

2018-12-18 15:24:41 UTC  

So the important sections to read are the ones I mentioned for those interested

2018-12-18 15:25:08 UTC  

Additionally, for the new act, you can look at the rules for composition of the equal pay committee (or whatever they call it) being at least 50% women (but not at least 50% men)

2018-12-18 15:25:27 UTC  

However

2018-12-18 15:25:52 UTC  

Due to artful legaleze the new act does not say that it only applies to women

2018-12-18 15:26:32 UTC  

Rather it says "an increase in compensation associated with the predominantly female job classes is to be made in such a way that, after the increase, the female regression line coincides with the male regression line."

2018-12-18 15:26:44 UTC  

and "(b) the compensation associated with a predominantly female job class is to be increased only if..."

2018-12-18 15:26:49 UTC  

So it assumes female

2018-12-18 15:27:21 UTC  

but the courts possible maybe, IANAL, could apply this gender neutrally. Or at least as gender neutrally as VAWA

2018-12-18 15:27:46 UTC  

..

2018-12-18 15:27:56 UTC  

So the beginning of the article needs to be rewritten somewhat

2018-12-18 15:28:23 UTC  

I recommend immeidately editing the first paragraph to say:

2018-12-18 15:29:31 UTC  

"Justin Trudeau passed the Pay Equity Act of 2018 earlier this year based on an Ontario act of the same name. The Ontario act was presented as being a measure that guarantees equal pay, but when the language of the bill is examined, there’s a caveat- men are actually not protected, and it is not illegal to pay men less. Take a look (move the link here):"

2018-12-18 15:29:38 UTC  

And then something can be figured out later

2018-12-18 15:34:17 UTC  

At the end of the second paragraph one could append "The new act (link to parl.ca), though less obviously sexist, is also not written in a gender-neutral fashion."

2018-12-18 15:35:13 UTC  

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2018-12-18 15:35:23 UTC