Message from @Indigo

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2019-01-02 19:12:39 UTC  

Then again, they cite the pay gap I bet - which is literally the same thing.

2019-01-02 19:15:13 UTC  

Some say 'pay gap for women continues after retirement' so yep

2019-01-03 06:10:11 UTC  

*The core fundamental theory of feminism is the patriarchy theory
No, it is advocating for gender equality*
Patriarchy theory is a secondary element
*and reduces men and women into binaries of oppressor and oppressed respectively.*
Very few feminists I have met actually do this
Vast majority do not

2019-01-03 06:11:10 UTC  

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2019-01-03 06:11:18 UTC  

*Patriarchy theory is the theory which they analyze the world, in order to advacate for women's rights*
A theory, one that is not nessecary and that not every feminist uses.
*Patriarchy theory essentially reduces humans into binaries*
I think you need to read up on what patriarchy theory actually is. It is flawed, yes, but it is not the root of all evil

2019-01-03 06:13:44 UTC  

*And almost every feminist believes in it.*
Problem is, there are many different strains of the theory.

2019-01-03 06:15:57 UTC  

There maybe different strains of feminism.
Almost all feminist social analysis is atleast in part based on patriarchy theory. Including the Duluth's model.

2019-01-03 06:16:28 UTC  

But again, which patriarchy theory? Define the one you refer to

2019-01-03 06:17:44 UTC  

Men exercising control over women due to their gender privilege... Which is the basis of Ellen pence's formulation of Duluth's model

2019-01-03 06:18:19 UTC  

That is very rarely used as a definition of Patriarchy Theory.

2019-01-03 06:18:25 UTC  

There are far more common uses

2019-01-03 06:18:39 UTC  

It's the most widely used in feminist theory.

2019-01-03 06:18:50 UTC  

Maybe laymans use it less

2019-01-03 06:19:02 UTC  

It is not the most widely used.

2019-01-03 06:19:20 UTC  

Then why is Duluth's model based on it

2019-01-03 06:19:58 UTC  

Do feminists believe in patriarchy theory, yes or no

2019-01-03 06:20:02 UTC  

I dunno. The duluth model is not the be all and end all of feminist theory, despite what so many think

2019-01-03 06:20:46 UTC  

Check the wiki. You'll find the instances of the uses of patriarchy theory

2019-01-03 06:21:08 UTC  

Which wiki?

2019-01-03 06:21:10 UTC  

It's a feminist formulation

2019-01-03 06:21:15 UTC  

Any wiki

2019-01-03 06:21:55 UTC  

How about Geek Feminism's wiki?

2019-01-03 06:22:00 UTC  

"the system of gender-based hierarchy in society which assigns most power to men, and assigns higher value to men, maleness, and "masculine traits"."

2019-01-03 06:22:21 UTC  

Fits pretty well with most gender theories

2019-01-03 06:22:34 UTC  

(note how men's issues is not included in the higher value list)

2019-01-03 06:23:30 UTC  

This definition is reductionist as the rest

2019-01-03 06:23:42 UTC  

Power is not limited to the male gender

2019-01-03 06:24:08 UTC  

"most"

2019-01-03 06:24:24 UTC  

Male power occurred due to a variety of reasons

2019-01-03 06:24:52 UTC  

One being, they were liable to fight, protect and die for the tribe

2019-01-03 06:25:02 UTC  

Ding ding ding

2019-01-03 06:25:04 UTC  

That's the price of power

2019-01-03 06:26:09 UTC  

Aye, it is

2019-01-03 06:26:18 UTC  

>Ding ding ding

Is that the menslib way or the chapo way

2019-01-03 06:26:39 UTC  

chapo?

2019-01-03 06:26:54 UTC  

And no, it has nothing to do with any affiliation to any group

2019-01-03 06:29:22 UTC  

Feminism is defined as the 'advocacy for women's rights on the basis of equality'

This in itself assumes that equality will be attained if *women are raised to men*.
The word feminism in itself assumes that men have no problems.

2019-01-03 06:30:13 UTC  

That is the worst interpretation I have ever seen \

2019-01-03 06:30:28 UTC  

it doesn't assume anything like that

2019-01-03 06:30:58 UTC  

Equality will not be attained if you just advocate for women's rights

2019-01-03 06:31:10 UTC  

It's the dictionary definition of feminism