Message from @Indigo

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2019-01-02 18:42:45 UTC  

Well how about a refund?

2019-01-02 18:53:21 UTC  

Funnily enough I heard plenty of the argument that I just mentioned a few years back but I can't find anything now. Mmm. The only legitimate argument I can see in current arguments is that women weren't given proper notice of the change and have failed to make proper financial planning as a result, and knowing how extremely reliable the government is, is probably true to an extent. The number of articles saying that its unfair because men generally get higher pensions (because they pay more into them!!!) Is ridiculous though

2019-01-02 19:12:04 UTC  

Wow. That's like something a small child would say.

2019-01-02 19:12:39 UTC  

Then again, they cite the pay gap I bet - which is literally the same thing.

2019-01-02 19:15:13 UTC  

Some say 'pay gap for women continues after retirement' so yep

2019-01-03 06:10:11 UTC  

*The core fundamental theory of feminism is the patriarchy theory
No, it is advocating for gender equality*
Patriarchy theory is a secondary element
*and reduces men and women into binaries of oppressor and oppressed respectively.*
Very few feminists I have met actually do this
Vast majority do not

2019-01-03 06:11:10 UTC  

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2019-01-03 06:11:18 UTC  

*Patriarchy theory is the theory which they analyze the world, in order to advacate for women's rights*
A theory, one that is not nessecary and that not every feminist uses.
*Patriarchy theory essentially reduces humans into binaries*
I think you need to read up on what patriarchy theory actually is. It is flawed, yes, but it is not the root of all evil

2019-01-03 06:13:44 UTC  

*And almost every feminist believes in it.*
Problem is, there are many different strains of the theory.

2019-01-03 06:15:57 UTC  

There maybe different strains of feminism.
Almost all feminist social analysis is atleast in part based on patriarchy theory. Including the Duluth's model.

2019-01-03 06:16:28 UTC  

But again, which patriarchy theory? Define the one you refer to

2019-01-03 06:17:44 UTC  

Men exercising control over women due to their gender privilege... Which is the basis of Ellen pence's formulation of Duluth's model

2019-01-03 06:18:19 UTC  

That is very rarely used as a definition of Patriarchy Theory.

2019-01-03 06:18:25 UTC  

There are far more common uses

2019-01-03 06:18:39 UTC  

It's the most widely used in feminist theory.

2019-01-03 06:18:50 UTC  

Maybe laymans use it less

2019-01-03 06:19:02 UTC  

It is not the most widely used.

2019-01-03 06:19:20 UTC  

Then why is Duluth's model based on it

2019-01-03 06:19:58 UTC  

Do feminists believe in patriarchy theory, yes or no

2019-01-03 06:20:02 UTC  

I dunno. The duluth model is not the be all and end all of feminist theory, despite what so many think

2019-01-03 06:20:46 UTC  

Check the wiki. You'll find the instances of the uses of patriarchy theory

2019-01-03 06:21:08 UTC  

Which wiki?

2019-01-03 06:21:10 UTC  

It's a feminist formulation

2019-01-03 06:21:15 UTC  

Any wiki

2019-01-03 06:21:55 UTC  

How about Geek Feminism's wiki?

2019-01-03 06:22:00 UTC  

"the system of gender-based hierarchy in society which assigns most power to men, and assigns higher value to men, maleness, and "masculine traits"."

2019-01-03 06:22:21 UTC  

Fits pretty well with most gender theories

2019-01-03 06:22:34 UTC  

(note how men's issues is not included in the higher value list)

2019-01-03 06:23:30 UTC  

This definition is reductionist as the rest

2019-01-03 06:23:42 UTC  

Power is not limited to the male gender

2019-01-03 06:24:08 UTC  

"most"

2019-01-03 06:24:24 UTC  

Male power occurred due to a variety of reasons

2019-01-03 06:24:52 UTC  

One being, they were liable to fight, protect and die for the tribe

2019-01-03 06:25:02 UTC  

Ding ding ding

2019-01-03 06:25:04 UTC  

That's the price of power

2019-01-03 06:26:09 UTC  

Aye, it is

2019-01-03 06:26:18 UTC  

>Ding ding ding

Is that the menslib way or the chapo way

2019-01-03 06:26:39 UTC  

chapo?

2019-01-03 06:26:54 UTC  

And no, it has nothing to do with any affiliation to any group

2019-01-03 06:29:22 UTC  

Feminism is defined as the 'advocacy for women's rights on the basis of equality'

This in itself assumes that equality will be attained if *women are raised to men*.
The word feminism in itself assumes that men have no problems.

2019-01-03 06:30:13 UTC  

That is the worst interpretation I have ever seen \