Message from @Indigo

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2019-01-03 06:59:24 UTC  

The system is a mix of male and female power

2019-01-03 07:02:04 UTC  

How does it cease to be a patriarchy?

2019-01-03 07:04:41 UTC  

Because the system is not a binary of female powerlessness and male power.
The feminists are the ones who deny or minimize female power in that system.
If the system is called a patriarchy, then it can be called a matriarchy too.

Actually the system is a mix of patriarchy and matriarchy.

2019-01-03 07:05:16 UTC  

The female is not the oppressed class either, in many respects

2019-01-03 07:08:01 UTC  

Do you know what the word "most" means?

2019-01-03 07:08:16 UTC  

it is not a binary, i tell you that

2019-01-03 07:08:53 UTC  

How do you quantify oppression

2019-01-03 07:09:08 UTC  

And power

2019-01-03 07:09:15 UTC  

Statistics

2019-01-03 07:09:37 UTC  

I'll give you statistics of male powerlessness and oppression too

2019-01-03 07:09:53 UTC  

Save it mate, I have heard it thousands of times

2019-01-03 07:10:09 UTC  

like 3 in 4 homeless being men

2019-01-03 07:10:16 UTC  

and 9 in 10 roofless

2019-01-03 07:10:25 UTC  
2019-01-03 07:10:28 UTC  

That's why I said, calling the system patriarchy is disingenuous

2019-01-03 07:11:20 UTC  

how so?

2019-01-03 07:11:34 UTC  

Women do have power, and the patriarchal power doesn't cater to men

2019-01-03 07:11:51 UTC  

both things the GFW does not deny

2019-01-03 07:12:47 UTC  

And also power to men had come at cost higher than that of women

2019-01-03 07:13:02 UTC  

Higher power comes with higher cost

2019-01-03 07:13:28 UTC  

So, it's not a system created for oppression

2019-01-03 07:13:32 UTC  

Of women

2019-01-03 07:13:57 UTC  

I will quote the wiki and you'll see what feminist formulations of patriarchy are

2019-01-03 07:14:35 UTC  

no it is not

2019-01-03 07:14:46 UTC  

Feminist theorists have written extensively about patriarchy either as a primary cause of women's oppression, or as part of an interactive system. Shulamith Firestone, a radical-libertarian feminist, defines patriarchy as a system of oppression of women. Firestone believes that patriarchy is caused by the biological inequalities between women and men, e.g. that women bear children, while men do not. Firestone writes that patriarchal ideologies support the oppression of women and gives as an example the joy of giving birth, which she labels a patriarchal myth. For Firestone, women must gain control over reproduction in order to be free from oppression.[23] Feminist historian Gerda Lerner believes that male control over women's sexuality and reproductive functions is a fundamental cause and result of patriarchy.[27] Alison Jaggar also understands patriarchy as the primary cause of women's oppression. The system of patriarchy accomplishes this by alienating women from their bodies

Interactive systems theorists Iris Marion Young and Heidi Hartmann believe that patriarchy and capitalism interact together to oppress women.

2019-01-03 07:15:11 UTC  

**
Audre Lorde, an African American feminist writer and theorist, believed that racism and patriarchy were intertwined systems of oppression.[51]

2019-01-03 07:15:41 UTC  

**
Gerda Lerner, in her 1986 The Creation of Patriarchy, makes a series of arguments about the origins and reproduction of patriarchy as a system of oppression of women, and concludes that patriarchy is socially constructed and seen as natural and invisible.[27]

2019-01-03 07:16:44 UTC  

@pc, feminists think otherwise

2019-01-03 07:17:01 UTC  

You quoted individuals

2019-01-03 07:17:11 UTC  

They are feminists

2019-01-03 07:17:19 UTC  

So they are

2019-01-03 07:17:23 UTC  

And some of the most prominent ones

2019-01-03 07:17:23 UTC  

funny that

2019-01-03 07:17:28 UTC  

Are they?

2019-01-03 07:17:29 UTC  

Quoted in Wikipedia

2019-01-03 07:17:39 UTC  

Oh, so they are credible then?

2019-01-03 07:17:46 UTC  

If Wikipedia the Wise says so

2019-01-03 07:18:00 UTC  

I'm telling you what they think of patriatchy

2019-01-03 07:18:30 UTC  

And I don't really give a flying fuck now do I

2019-01-03 07:18:33 UTC  

Jaggar, Young, and Hartmann are among the feminist theorists who argue that the system of patriarchy should be completely overturned, especially the heteropatriarchal family, which they see as a necessary component of female oppression.

2019-01-03 07:18:41 UTC  

Good for them