yeah, tent or sleeping bag

on the ground

As opposed to other forms of homelessness that involve actual beds mostly

That's kinda the point, though

There isn't necessarily anything wrong with sleeping rough. Generally though, people would want something better, though the reason they are sleeping rough is because they don't have the choice of better

And the situation leading up to it is bloody uncomfortable

So it's a men's rights issue

But a really complicated one

Same with suicide

Perhaps. I think eventually it will be. But MRAs are diverse. We can all agree that men have a suicide problem. I'm not so sure we can all agree on /r/sanctionedsuicide

We have pro-life people in the movement, and not a few of them

I agree with it

but hey

There's a pretty big difference between the mostly and the whole here

IIRC none of the other MRM issues are controversial within the MRM, with the sole possible exception of intactivism

And that's not anywhere near as controversial as righttodie would be. And it may be the case that most of the gender difference on this issue could end up being gotten rid of as mental health conditions for men improve.

I'm pro life.

Guess I'm anti suicide but

I think the state shouldn't have any say in that

No not religious reasons I'm agnostic

Not necessarily

I'm still against it

In that

I prefer no one become that desperate

And also

It depends on the situation to

If someone suicidal because they're depressed and medication might help

Then I can see the case for the state intervening

To get the individual help

But let's say it's not a condition that can be cured

Or say somebody is facing something like homelessness or a horrible disease

I think people have the right to commit suicide

In the case of their mind being temporarily out of whack yes

Now that doesn't mean you lock him up in an institution for ever to keep them from killing themselves

Not always

I've got mixed feelings on mental institutions. There are at least some people who are helped

But what scares the shit out of me is this: https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/26/mums-heartbreaking-photos-of-son-starved-of-oxygen-after-suicide-attempt-7028654/

"Over the last eight months he has learned how to move his hands from an armrest to his lap, and to blink once for ‘no’ and twice for ‘yes’. When Helen asks her son if he still wants to die, he blinks twice."

but lo, he's hospitalized

That isn't true about the firearm

Sorry I was in the grocery store