Message from @InsaneCaterpilla

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2019-03-15 21:03:19 UTC  

As far as I know none of the tenets by themselves, without extreme extrapolation, that would put you on the left wing side of a scale advocate for gender quotas

2019-03-15 21:06:42 UTC  

Leftists or rightists doing x doesn't mean that x is a core belief of all leftists or rightists, because that action actually has to be tied to one of the beliefs that put you on that scale, instead of being tied to the actions of others who also happen to share that belief

2019-03-15 21:07:25 UTC  

Yeah I would say feminism puts you on the left

2019-03-15 21:07:40 UTC  

It's considered a left wing idealogoy

2019-03-15 21:08:26 UTC  

And or course that advocates for things like "more women in x field"

2019-03-15 21:10:06 UTC  

That's the same kind of logic though that assumes all men are rapists because some men rape

2019-03-15 21:10:25 UTC  

No not really

2019-03-15 21:10:28 UTC  

Guilt by association

2019-03-15 21:10:58 UTC  

I'm saying it's anleft wing idealogy not that all left wing people follow that ideology

2019-03-15 21:11:14 UTC  

Right, the left wing has, generally adopted feminism as a sub-ideology.

2019-03-15 21:11:28 UTC  

For example left wing is seen as pro choice. But not all Democrats are pronchoice even though the left wing is associated with Democrats.

2019-03-15 21:11:36 UTC  

Yeah

2019-03-15 21:11:43 UTC  

@GG Allin is correct

2019-03-15 21:12:19 UTC  

Sure, there are some conservative, traditionalist folks that embrace certain aspects of feminism, they do not adopt the entire ideology. The left has.

2019-03-15 21:12:51 UTC  

Only you've now switched to talking about the left and right wing political parties, whereas I'm talking about what actually makes you left wing or right wing on the scale. The actions of the political party don't change what is or isn't left or right wing at its core

2019-03-15 21:13:39 UTC  

The Nazis were the national socialist party but are considered right wing.

2019-03-15 21:14:14 UTC  

Sorry, I just caught the tail-end of this deabte.

2019-03-15 21:14:16 UTC  

debate*

2019-03-15 21:14:34 UTC  

Same here

2019-03-15 21:15:56 UTC  

If we were to switch to talking about political parties being against core MRM ideas though... I'm pretty sure *both of them* wouldn't qualify

2019-03-15 21:16:43 UTC  

Repeating wage gap myths and such.. 'binders of women'.. You essentially must vote independant if you hold that view

2019-03-15 21:16:59 UTC  

It's the democrats that are incompatible not Republicans

2019-03-15 21:17:59 UTC  

I think both would be incompatiable. Doesn't selectively favouring women go against our ideals?

2019-03-15 21:18:18 UTC  

Yea

2019-03-15 21:18:22 UTC  

I suppose it's a question of which party is "more" incomptaible.

2019-03-15 21:18:31 UTC  

Because like it or not, we have to exist within a two-party system at this point.

2019-03-15 21:18:54 UTC  

What about the MAGA party?

2019-03-15 21:18:57 UTC  

Is that a thing yet ?

2019-03-15 21:19:01 UTC  

Local influence can still happen though.

2019-03-15 21:19:29 UTC  

I don't think socialism works

2019-03-15 21:28:12 UTC  

Perhaps the whole 2 party system in the US is partly to blame for such a statement that being left wing is fundamentally incompatiable with being for the MRM. As you say people have to choose which is best, because those are the parties and 'that's that'. People conflate anything left or right wing with the political party and their actions rather than in its own place on the political spectrum.

2019-03-15 21:28:24 UTC  

That is true.

2019-03-15 21:33:53 UTC  

I do agree it isn't incompatible

2019-03-15 21:34:04 UTC  

You can do both