https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/b17ro8/honey_badgers_being_left_of_center_politically_is/

There was a lot of discussion about this yesterday on the sub. What are people's thoughts?

I believe that perhaps there can be more constructive discussion here than what happened yesterday

I think you can be a mra regardless of political affiliation

Me too. What I'm personally interested in is why people develop the notion that you can't be. What inexorably, in their view, ties men's rights to the right wing?

If I were to take a guess, I would Thursday it has to do with the left being seen as the champion of feminism

I'm not so sure. It's just not enough for people to seem so committed to that idea. There has to be certain components of what ideas of left wing/liberal ideology they can point to as incompatible

I think it's left wing being for things like race and sex based quotas at school and work

You know how the left is always like a champion of "equality" for women ?

I think it's that

As far as I know none of the tenets by themselves, without extreme extrapolation, that would put you on the left wing side of a scale advocate for gender quotas

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/georgia-democrats-propose-bills-targeting-men-reproductive-health/1kaJMdLUDzZT7HIpVtKMDP/

Leftists or rightists doing x doesn't mean that x is a core belief of all leftists or rightists, because that action actually has to be tied to one of the beliefs that put you on that scale, instead of being tied to the actions of others who also happen to share that belief

Yeah I would say feminism puts you on the left

It's considered a left wing idealogoy

And or course that advocates for things like "more women in x field"

That's the same kind of logic though that assumes all men are rapists because some men rape

No not really

Guilt by association

I'm saying it's anleft wing idealogy not that all left wing people follow that ideology

Right, the left wing has, generally adopted feminism as a sub-ideology.

For example left wing is seen as pro choice. But not all Democrats are pronchoice even though the left wing is associated with Democrats.

Yeah

@GG Allin is correct

Sure, there are some conservative, traditionalist folks that embrace certain aspects of feminism, they do not adopt the entire ideology. The left has.

Only you've now switched to talking about the left and right wing political parties, whereas I'm talking about what actually makes you left wing or right wing on the scale. The actions of the political party don't change what is or isn't left or right wing at its core

The Nazis were the national socialist party but are considered right wing.

Sorry, I just caught the tail-end of this deabte.

debate*

Same here

If we were to switch to talking about political parties being against core MRM ideas though... I'm pretty sure *both of them* wouldn't qualify

Repeating wage gap myths and such.. 'binders of women'.. You essentially must vote independant if you hold that view

It's the democrats that are incompatible not Republicans

I think both would be incompatiable. Doesn't selectively favouring women go against our ideals?

Yea

I suppose it's a question of which party is "more" incomptaible.

Because like it or not, we have to exist within a two-party system at this point.

What about the MAGA party?

Is that a thing yet ?

Local influence can still happen though.

I don't think socialism works