Violence*

The men only just got the vote by fighting and dying. No sympathy.

Something we are still expected to do today

Yes, but the men who fought and died where from the lower classes

It’s the upper classes

That was the issue

But women had no mediam in which to fight for there rights apart from out right sympathy

Not sympathy

I mean terrorism

Is it fair that only the people who owned land and such could vote? No. Is it fair women got the vote for some campaigning, and men are obligated to be drafted in wartime even today to earn that right? No, there's not an official law of it in the UK, but you know it would soon be the case in the event of a serious threat to the country, and in other countries its simply stated.

That's still not fair either

I get what your saying

But the attitude of the time was that women should not fight and die in the trenches

Getting mow down in their millions

But, they had to prove their worth

And while I realise that what these women did was terrible but they felt they had no where else to turn

'The attitude of the time' doesn't provide an excuse. Such a reason can be used to say slavery was fine and dandy back in the day

Which was why it was difficult to challenge

Which makes their situation even more dire

So making their options less viable

Same with suffrage

But that just my opinion

This persists even today and you go on about how it used to be fine, why are you making excuses for something you know is unfair? Simply make it fair today. I don't care what the reasons were, it wasn't fair then and it isn't fair now, and I'm not going to pretend that it makes what happened back then more ok that they had excuses for doing certain things

I'm tired anyway.. probably not bringing my point across as eloquently as I could

If ya wanna reply I'll have a see tomorrow mate, Nn all

Nm dude

I’m not saying what they did was justified

I’m just saying they felt they had no other option

And yes it persists today

But

It’s a great story

@Fred-104 If I remember, The Suffragettes were actually holding back women's right to vote - since whenever the vote came up as an idea, it was now framed in terms of giving in to terrorists. Basically

The suffragists are the real campaigners. They were the legitimate people asking for the change.

They managed to win public sympathy, to a degree. But to frame it in terms of rights is to look at it through the suffragette lense. The public had no right to vote, so they didn't see it as being about equality until it was framed that way.

thats kinda of what im saying, the way the acted about the whole issue was terrible, even detrimental to there efforts, but it was born out of desperation

and yes ik at this point even some men couldnt vote ik

I'm not sure it was desperation so much as hunger for power. They didn't care about common women and they used income tax laws to have their husbands imprisoned.

It's hard to tell now, what with all the changes the Feminists made to history

I think a good parallel is to look at modern feminism actually, a lot of the activists are middle upper class and a lot of the stuff they fight for are things that don’t really effect women on the lower ends of society, all that shut about more women in CEO positions and stem and the hundreds of silly little “protections” they want in place, the people who mostly demand these things are in a place of privilege however cannot see themselves that way and it leaves the average women behind since their noses are so turned up that they cannot see the people below them, and then they wonder why the average women is turning away from feminism in larger numbers, it’s because they have real world shit to worry about and cannot afford to get involved in such a self indulgent movement

I just started watching the documentary American Circumcision... I'm slowly realizing that I'm was mutilated and I'm never going to feel fully what I should when I touch myself because of what my parents chose

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