wouldn't that be a very nazi thing to do? xD

guess i had better go get my brown coat

But in all seriousness I think more organisations need to come out as specifically MRA. The few that exist ATM try to ignore the label

In all honesty I wouldn't know what more would help. Our arguments are perfectly fine but people either don't care about them or are willingly blind to them.

no, I think the problem is they only care if it even remotely sounds like something they can get outraged at.

Plenty of men's issues are things to be outraged at

But the majority of people couldn't care less

It takes people actually caring and not minimising the issues.

I know Feminists blame MRAs with our whataboutisms but they still reign supreme at that. Or they just blame it on men and continue to ignore it

or blame it on "Patriarchy" and then claim they are not blaming men

Let's face it we know they mean men

pretty sure they know they mean men

This is a big part of the the reason my site is so heavy on the accounts and personal experiences of victims of sexual assault and so on. If we can raise empathy we can get people to care.

Everything on there is about paying this stuff bare, as painful as it can be.

It's very very hard for a Feminist or anyone to look the damage they are doing in the face and realise the human cost - but this is at least one way to do it effectively.

Maybe we need to have a dedicated writing team to complain to people like the BBC. It does change things. I have actually made them alter an article (though not about a gender subject)

I try and not focus on any particular group standing in the way. Because you can always go back and forth blaming Feminism or men.

I think straight up advocating specifically issue to issue long run is the way to go.

When anyone (Feminists) oppose it they are the one that look like arse holes.

Oh definitely. The BBC was really just an example. We should do loads. Maybe have a weekly target.

Oh the Letter writing thing sounds like a good idea

Would be a good way to use the <#515246196374372380> channel.

Okay. So, who should we Concerned Citizen the shit out of first? ;D

MPs might be a start.

MPs are always a good target - except in America.

I know it's kind of a stretch but if people start actually voicing concerns to the people who can make a change more votes might happen

Oo yeah

Damn right.

Is that men's day debate in the commons still going ahead?

The really late one?

We should target key MPs

I don't know. I heard it's scheduled late on a really busy day so it may not even be gotten to.

Yeah. That sounds deliberate. Bloody politics

I already called it when they moved the date. This is a classic move.

We need to put that in the emails. Say it looks suspicious to anyone who knows politics.

It was supposedly set for the 23rd but I can't find any record of it happening

Sounds about right. Put it off and then shuffle it out of existence while everyone is losing interest.

People might not ever realise. It's so you forget about it happing.

Okay. Any ideas on which ones to target?

Hey, so what's up tonight?

Oh local MPs are the way to go. They have to take your interest to heart as a constituent. Fortunately for me it's both a conservative and a woman. So maybe there might be both rationality and woman points instead of a labour dismissal.

Which is unfortunate considering I would generally consider my self more left wing.

Isn’t it great being left leaning and still being told that you are an alt-right neo nazi? xD