I don’t have a lot of love for my mother, lol, she was an abusive alcoholic that treated me like shit until the day she kicked me out, my dad more or less saved me, so yeah, I would happily give my heart for him.

@Abbysol That's awful, but I'm glad you have the rest of your family!

@Men Are Human Maybe some people don't love their own family, but that's not always totally without reason...

@InsaneCaterpilla Don't worry, I wasn't implying she should have to love a mother like that - or anyone. I hope I wasn't insensitive at all, @Abbysol it wasn't my intention.

Na, all good, I think it just needs some context since I have been accused of being an MRA because “I’m only doing it to impress the men” when in reality the things that you guys work towards are things that effected me personally, I honestly don’t know if any male feminist that can honestly say the same, and yet here we are.

You mean you got the reverse 'your're only a male feminist to get with the ladies' routine? 😆

yeah, not even kidding, it was... an interesting experience... it exists

Wow. XD

I'd be interested to see how many other things are gender flipped like that.

I think a bit, you would be surprised, I've been told I'm self loathing, Brainwashed by the patriarchy, that I am subservient, it is insanity, so I can empathize with the male feminists a bit in that regard, I think it is just a response to something that otherwise doesn't make sense to some kinds of people, they jump to conclusions to try and make sense of it.

Yeah, I can understand that. I have heard those ones - I've even seen them in a school textbook back in secondary school.

Honestly, I hate using the word 'brainwashed' because it's such an easy go to. Everyone is indoctrinated, IMO.

Sorry you have to hear all of those, by the way. I doubt it gets easier each time.

I think the reason the do it is because they are locked into some kind of men vs women tribalism, so they see you as a traitor.

Hmm

Maybe with time we can change the bias against men in court

That’s a big part of why we need more awareness of male rights I guess

@Tablecloth I have no idea where that just came from

*stops silently watching in the background*

@Tablecloth It's possible. I think the first step is creating widespread empathy.

Maybe the dislike of men starts at a young age? Maybe they just want attention?

@Abbysol Hey, you know, you seem to have had a lot of different experiences with all kinds of awful gender things. Would you be interested in writing about a few of them for www.menarehuman.com at all? I'd really like to hear about a few.

it’s kinda confusing.

I do think a lot of feminist talking points are directly connected to MRA points, if people could just get their heads out of the asses for 5 min and actually listen instead of jumping to conclusions... Women are expected to be Primary Caregivers? let Fathers be dads? Girls being under diagnosed with disorders such as Autism and ADHD? stop over diagnosing boys and demonizing the illnesses ! dont like Little girls getting their clits cut? then maybe you should think twice about cutting boys so casually.... I could go on

Some of the more extreme groups I believe are after attention.

Also circumsiciosn on men

Why is it legal to do it to boys and not girls.

also who cooked up the idea of cutting off someone’s foreskin geez.

Religion?... idk... that's the excuse to be able to do it anyway

In the US it was Kellogg, a cereal manufacturer, who popularised it as a way to curb men's sexual appetites

huh

That is how circumcision was normalised in the US

Also I’ve noticed that some people have the mentality that people who believe in male rights are somewhat “far-right” nazis.

yeah, seen plenty of that

some Australian politicians tried to support some of the issues but backpedaled very quick when they got feminist backlash

also this idea that MRAs are anti-LQBT+... the only person I know IRL that is also MRA is the gayest man I know, and I hung out with him at a Lesbians house xD

What I am saying (very poorly) is we are a much more diverse bunch then we get credit for 😄

@Abbysol Cleanliness and stopping boys being promiscuous is the real reason. Circumcision dates all the way back. It may be as old as trepanating. I've seen examples from African tribes and anchent Egyptian texts. I don't think we can even say who invented the idea.

@Abbysol There are indeed loads of gay MRAs and plenty who want to be gay, lol. I can understand why. If you are gay the divorce court can't favour anyone female. Personally I find I like that we have very equal relationships.

@Tablecloth That's indeed the case. Anyone got any ideas on how to undermine the idea we are all Nazis? Denying it won't help much, but there has gotta be a way.

Lock anyone who calls us nazis in a camp somewhere.