Message from @Abbysol
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Things that seem patently ridiculous to implement, such as the Duluth model, actually do end up getting put through though... It's sad the state the world is.
Messing with businesses, such as paying women more for the same job, probably would meet a lot of blowback from those businesses, and certain powerful rich people. So honestly, I hope they do it just for the reaction from them.
Would give the MRM and anti-feminist movements a hell of a popularity boost
Also since if business where forced to pay women more there would be a lot of women who would end up out of work
Some yes, but due to equality laws they can't not hire them based on their gender either
It’s not rejecting them because they are women tho, is rejecting them so they can save money
Lol
When cutting costs the women would go first because men are just cheaper
That's not an acceptable argument for women who work on construction sites and can't lift as much, so I dint think they'd allow it for that, as not hiring the women and hiring men instead would save money
Well I used to do very labor heavy jobs, not construction, grounds keeping, so I did a lot of tree removals and things, so I don’t think that is an issue since there was one guy who was even smaller then me
It’s less strength and more endurance, so women can do it, they just don’t want too most the time
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying women *can't* be capable of doing such things, only that a lot aren't (men too, only they aren't forced to hire them with quotas). If a woman with the right qualifications (safety I assume, bricklaying etc) comes along, wants it but clearly can only do half of what the men cause she has no muscle mass, are they allowed to refuse her for that or could she claim sex discrimination? perhaps I'm wrong but I was under the impression she could sue them.
I know it can come across that way but I have seen women go ask for help from the boys and I’ve kind of just looked at them like “you fucking serious, it’s not that big and only needs to go across the room”
As a women doesn’t want to build the strength to do the job she shouldn’t do the job
If she is fired for not doing the job then she has nothing to complain about
What if she claims that women aren't as physically strong as men therefore it is sex discrimination?
Then she is wrong, she should be able to lift a certain weight, then by law is something is too heavy you need tools on site to aid with lifting
I'll have to do a bit of research tbh, I'm thinking I can find a case or two where such a thing has happened, but what the ruling is I am not sure.
I agree that she's wrong but what courts decide in an issue like that is another matter
This is why there is no excuse for women not being in lower paid labour jobs like garbage collection, it’s hard work but anyone can do it if they put in the effort
Hardest day of work I ever did was spending 8 hours removing duck weed from a pond with a pitchfork, everyone came into work the next day completely fucked in the back xD
If a woman can’t do the job, she gets fired, and if she can’t do the job then why not? If her coworkers can do it fine
Also bricklaying is the fucking worst, I don’t care what gender you are, it just sucks
That's the thing though, generally people accept that the sexes are *generally* different, with exceptions. So if traits of one sex such as not being able to do as much or as well as the opposite sex, then holding that against someone could possibly be construed as sex discrimination
I think is just another Feminist paradox “women are just as good as men” okay then go lay bricks “I need help”
You don’t learn until you actually start doing, and I think men are brought up to think it’s not okay to ask for help, that it is seen as weak, where women are brought up to always ask for help when you can, I think it is less a physical thing and more a mental thing
Because again, I could do the work, and I’ve seen smaller men able to do the work, so I don’t think it could be anything else
Throw more women into garbage trucks, they can do it! I believe! xD
There is a healthy amount of man up and a healthy amount of showing emotion, I think to be a functioning human you need to work out the balance between the two.
Too far either way is going to hurt you one way or another.
Women who get fired shouldn’t blame it on their gender, they should blame it on the fact that they couldn’t do the job, and you think a judge would be based enough to know the difference between a lazy bitch who doesn’t want to break a nail and an actual case of gender discrimination.
Perhaps you're right in that women can be fired for not being able to keep up, as I'm not getting any results of women who claimed they were fired for their gender in that context. I'm surprised tbh as I thought feminists meddling in businesses was already that pervasive.
But I still guess that's a separate reason to being fired, being less capable, than that they cost more on an hourly basis is, even if they end up with the same result of a person who loses the company money over a different employee.
If the government (who mandates that employees hire women over men when they are of equal ability) says women were to be paid more as well, a company going against hiring them because of that would be breaking the law, since both the woman and man would still be of equal ability
^ that's badly worded but I'm hoping it gets what I'm trying to say across
Yeah, I think I’m getting the gist of it, don’t sorry, I am crap at trying to verbalise myself too xD
But it’s such a pointless mandate, since how many women do you that that would willingly apply for positions like bricklayer or earthmover or anything like that?
Vs how many men are applying as educators or nurses especially with such a stigma towards it
Y’all are dorks
Takes one to know one
Shh
I'm going back to thinking on the 'paying women more' thing though, which would apply in all jobs, not just construction. The reason I initially brought up construction was to parallel it with the company making a loss from hiring a woman and not being able to get rid of her under the pretence that her not doing as well as the men could be viewed as sex discrimination.
That parallel didn't work out well when I looked into it