alright i must sleep

@Deleted User what im on about is looking at how the yellow jackets organized themselves. they networked, communicated, stayed non-violent, and the people have flocked to support them. they have a perfect storm, including the active recruiting engagement from the power institutions themselves. there is no reason something like that cant be examined and repeated.

also the police have already killed people in those protests, and it further isolates them from the populace and increases the protestors resolve. if we start being violent, the state consolidates its power to stay alive. states know how to wield physical power very effectively, its how they have stayed the norm so long. but they dont know how to wield influence and persuasion well. that is where we can run laps around them.

this was organized as a "public interest campaign" and people got together to make it happen. 100,000 online shitposters alone isnt as effective as 10,000 protesting on the streets with public support.

I don't know the importance of 10,000 people protesting

In February of 2017 there were almost a million people protesting in Bucharest for a simple law.

@Deleted User burning cars and crashing banks is not about non-violence

you are confusing non-violence with direct action @JP

besides, there is a concept known as violent flanks

its how it is framed, by us and them.

the media isnt trusted by most people, so those sympathetic (or at least non-opposed) will consider our perspective

@Romanian Order yes, and did that cause the change they were looking for?

So y'all think there gonna try to revive the gillotine for macron?

I wish

but nah

His term is almost over

just be patient goy

Yellow Vests will fail though in delivering any kind of lasting change, I think

its just Occupy Wallstreet 2.0 with some intensification in terms of violence

there's zero true revolutionary potential in it

in fact, in the Spencer vs. Unruhe video, I found it hilarious that the other guy was presenting the Yellow Vests as some kind of revolutionary force even when Unruhe made pretty strong case for how they are not

they are not

never were, are not, never will be

The reason Yellow Vests aren't as successful as they should be is because the people that are rebelling aren't the people who are hit and oppressed the most.

The people that are hit the most can't afford to go out and protest.

When the conditions will be so dire that these people decide to riot, then there will be a revolution.

It's not like revolting to change the system or anything. They just want to let politicians know that they're not going to tolerate their BS

Yes, it doesn't represent the entirety of the French proletariat, nowhere near. And further than that, they more or less yearn to *go back* to the way things were, to the age of the good welfare state, etc. Its not actually about changing the system, its about restoring the system to what it used to be. Its not seeking to really change anything.

> It's not like revolting to change the system or anything. They just want to let politicians know that they're not going to tolerate their BS

Yeah but this is dumb specifically because the politicians that drowned them in bullshit were *specifically produced by the system they* ***refuse to challenge***

so I don't know what the big idea is

"Oooh aah look at me, a brave protestor"

well clap clap 👏 well done Shinji, congrats

you've changed jack shit

These types of protests are very important, since they present a problem for the government to solve, turning a vocal output into a physical one. I expect Macron to cuck and attempt to please the public as soon as possible in the nearest future.

Well

I mean

they achieve *something*

sure

near-term goals

but they can never solve the root problems because they are fundamentally uninterested in them

That is if it is viewed through the lens of reformism, which is acceptable but not shared by the majority.

Isn't the yellow vest mostly a middle class protest ?