how does that differ from a family

who owns property

you don’t shoot your kids when they disobey.

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I said family for a fucking reason

But if the father would ground his kids you would barge into their room screaming "What do you want to do, kill them?!"

is it ok for father joe to spank his kids

because spanking is violence

generally kids are under custody of parents until a certain age, and don’t exhibit the same protections grown adults do.

but its violence against another individual

not with the intent to significantly harm them.

and my intent against alcohol man is not to harm him

How does that differ from your alcoholic friend?

but to damage his supply of alcohol

what gives you the right to decide what another person can and cannot have?

Back to the kids question.

Who am I to decide what my kids should do?

their parent, that’s who.

the government is not my parent, though.

And I am his friend.

you aren’t his parent, and you don’t have custody over him.

Why do you think only in terms of "ownership"?

the kids are my property in ancapistan i guess

There are so many symbiotic relationships even in nature.

custody and property are different.

you’re allowed to have a symbiotic relationship, but only voluntarily.

you can’t force it on someone, or else it isn’t mutual.

If a part of my relationship wants to kill themselves I will prevent that by force.

Would you?

how long can you stop them?

what lengths do you go to?

If your friend stands on a roof and wants to jump off, will you let them jump?

how will you stop them?

Persuasion and/or force.

But I am asking, will you stop them?

okay, you use force. they resist with greater force, now what?

Will you attempt to stop your friend?

water, if your only method to stop your best friend from killing himself is force

will you use force

From killing himself?

will you use violence