what gives you the right to decide what another person can and cannot have?

Back to the kids question.

Who am I to decide what my kids should do?

their parent, that’s who.

the government is not my parent, though.

And I am his friend.

you aren’t his parent, and you don’t have custody over him.

Why do you think only in terms of "ownership"?

the kids are my property in ancapistan i guess

There are so many symbiotic relationships even in nature.

custody and property are different.

you’re allowed to have a symbiotic relationship, but only voluntarily.

you can’t force it on someone, or else it isn’t mutual.

If a part of my relationship wants to kill themselves I will prevent that by force.

Would you?

how long can you stop them?

what lengths do you go to?

If your friend stands on a roof and wants to jump off, will you let them jump?

how will you stop them?

Persuasion and/or force.

But I am asking, will you stop them?

okay, you use force. they resist with greater force, now what?

Will you attempt to stop your friend?

water, if your only method to stop your best friend from killing himself is force

will you use force

From killing himself?

will you use violence

This goes into something I mentioned earlier.

most ancaps are a lot more rigid on the NAP than i am

water

just answer the fucking question

if your only chance to stop your bets friend from killing himself is to use violence

will you use violence

Will you stop your friend from jumping off a roof with violence?

or will you let him die

depending on the circumstances i would use force to prevent a greater violation of rights, yes.

suicide is a violation of rights...?

but i would not significantly harm them to prevent it.

What is this "greater violation of rights"?

they have a right to life, if they take their own that’s a violation.

so water will let his friend die