Message from @Aki

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2019-01-13 11:15:33 UTC  

Exp since such offer would attract people who already have some military exp. For them it could even be an opportunity to get in a less risky position that they alreay are.

2019-01-13 11:16:10 UTC  

That does not map to how these units are utilised and experienced military personnel would be aware of that

2019-01-13 11:16:40 UTC  

What of I said do you disagree exactly?

2019-01-13 11:17:28 UTC  

That those units would not be harsh and that they would represent less risk then they may already be subjected to

2019-01-13 11:18:18 UTC  

That is preety obv...you can just google how many US casulaites were there in the Iraq war and compare it to the number of casualites on the side of Iraqis.

2019-01-13 11:18:42 UTC  

It is a reality denial if you think the risk they take is comparable.

2019-01-13 11:18:51 UTC  

Your making a generalisation that every units experience is the same which is incorrect

2019-01-13 11:20:04 UTC  

I am making a preety reasonable assumption... but if you disagree you can prove me wrong by showing appropriate statistics, risk analysis etc.

2019-01-13 11:20:05 UTC  

As I’ve mentioned, foreign units are treated much differently than units from home as they are not subjected to the same political pressure to return soldiers to their families

2019-01-13 11:20:47 UTC  

No one is going to use those people as a cannon fodder... not in the current political climate.

2019-01-13 11:21:40 UTC  

I can chase up some stats if you’d like but I do not have them immediately available.
It’s unclear how you believe the current political climate would effect foreign soldiers in the same way that it would when boys from home die

2019-01-13 11:22:14 UTC  

Foreign soldiers have no families in that country nor do they have representatives

2019-01-13 11:23:01 UTC  

FIrst of all it is politically poblematic and such incidents can be used against you by the opposition.

2019-01-13 11:23:18 UTC  

Second of all modern wars aren't thought like that.

2019-01-13 11:23:44 UTC  

There is no footsoldiers charge on the enemy hidden in bunkers

2019-01-13 11:23:52 UTC  

There is no political incentive for advocating them and those that are the most ardent supporters of care for refugees and international empathy are the most callous and ardent critics towards the military

2019-01-13 11:24:24 UTC  

Not when it can prove discriminatory treatment.

2019-01-13 11:24:47 UTC  

What would be the political benefit in doing so. Who’s vote does it win?

2019-01-13 11:25:06 UTC  

The soldiers? They can’t vote

2019-01-13 11:25:13 UTC  

The minority vote for example. The liberal vote for exmaple.

2019-01-13 11:25:24 UTC  

Some of them will pass the citizenship sooner or later.

2019-01-13 11:25:34 UTC  

and then they will be able to vote.

2019-01-13 11:26:05 UTC  

It is preety much the same as now

2019-01-13 11:26:24 UTC  

Typically the military has an old boys mentality where if they went through it others should to. It’s often an impediment to cultural change

2019-01-13 11:26:48 UTC  

In any case they would be a very fine minority

2019-01-13 11:26:54 UTC  

also I am not sure if you have any data that shows ethnic composition of French foreign legion and how well they integrate after the service... how well their children integrate etc

2019-01-13 11:27:22 UTC  

and they wouldn't appreciate their comrades being treated as cannon fodder

2019-01-13 11:27:39 UTC  

plus you also have minorities that are already in the contrues of origin

2019-01-13 11:27:49 UTC  

and they will most likely be interested in this

2019-01-13 11:31:17 UTC  

I’m not sure either but I need not limit myself to the legion. Other foreign units exist. Again, those who have earned the citizenship in such a capacity will always be a very slim minority which will call into question the efficacy on spending time chasing such a niche vote. Minorities originating from that country are also unlikely to empathise with those who earn service through citizenship as that service creates a very wide cultural gap and difference in experience. Not to mention the normal tensions between military members and civilians

2019-01-13 11:32:56 UTC  

There is also the point that justified or no, the argument that they knew what they signed up for is persuasive and that’s the cost of getting what they want

2019-01-13 11:34:48 UTC  

I understand if any immigration is undesirable for you that this is not a policy which serves your aims but it is hard to see in what ways you might see this as not a strict improvement over the conventional process

2019-01-13 11:36:02 UTC  

Even accepting your criticism as valid, which clearly I do not, this process creates undoubtably a more thorough process of vetting the commitment of future citizens

2019-01-13 11:36:31 UTC  

There is a lot of assumptions and guesses that don't have a lot back em up here on the other hand are some examples how the media sees minorities in the military: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/study-shoes-black-service-members-punished-more-in-military_us_5938847ce4b0b13f2c66da83?guccounter=1

2019-01-13 11:36:57 UTC  

There is a lot of this type of crap in google.. those are just some example

2019-01-13 11:36:58 UTC  

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2019-01-13 11:36:59 UTC  

These are also domestic troops Aki with families back home

2019-01-13 11:37:23 UTC  

There is no reason why it wouldn't translate to the foreign legion.

2019-01-13 11:37:42 UTC  

It is not like their families write those artickles mind you

2019-01-13 11:38:09 UTC  

and yeah I would agree that this vetting process is a step forward