Message from @im in the middle of nowhere bruh
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America has in the past, what makes you think it wouldn’t do so again? Was Kosovo an oil filled country? North Korea? Cuba?
The reality is that the worldstage has little methods of enforcement beyond might is right, however as America has set itself up to benefit most strongly from a rules based order in which human dignity and democracy is respected and has demonstrated its commitment to upholding that order it seems invalid in this context to say there is no humanitarian or democratic principles attached.
This is also by no means a core, or even orthodox neoliberal position.
I think kazimir was implying modern America and not cold war America in terms of intervention
I see very little difference in “modern” America and “Cold War” America, they are in fact, the same country. That oil money has fuelled radicalism and deplorable regimes creating a greater need to act in the Middle East region then anywhere else in recent times has attracted many non-western nation’s to pivot their ability to act in that region, including China and Russia to varying extents. Clearly then there is an agreement that major powers have implicitly that *some* action must be achieved in the Middle East, but only differ in what form that should take
the only difference I see is that cold war America i cant see any "real" motives
meanwhile modern America claims to be protecting people from dictators and terror groups
when in reality they just want oil and israeli good boy points
Rules based order and Bretton woods takes you 90% there, however your right in saying that a cohesive American grand strategy isn’t really there. One difference with the Cold War is there is no longer another superpower contesting its interests and the domestic politic are more uncertain of the mandate they want their leadership to fulfil. Everyone, including China and Russia are concerned with oil security in the region and in fact in terms of oil and self interest this is not a persuasive argument to analyse us interests with. The us is on the cusp of being a net fuel exporter thanks to fracking but will be unable to export significant quantities beyond canada or Mexico. Oil in and of itself is not really part of the American agenda then right now
Also suez kinda discredits the Israeli good boy points
suez when nasser ruled?
Ye, but there are many occasions where America has clipped the wings of Israel to court other nations. In general that could be a criticism levied at the US, that it’s more willing to consider the interests of potential allies rather than established ones
"Old" America was just attacking the geopolitical boundaries of USSR, proxy wars. There was a reason and it was still not "democratic" or "humanitarian".
The two are hardly mutually exclusive, especially given the Soviet Union saw little need to act in a manner that could be described as humane or democratic. What should be criticised however is the naïveté which has followed american interventions, expecting that states in the wake of such actions will require no reconstruction effort and expecting that in the power vacuum created when troops are no longer deployed to the region that democracy will magically assert itself bereft of any supporting structure or institutions. Or even, as in the forays into Mexico and South America time and time again, recognising the incapacity but eschewing providing any form of civil support, instead simply preparing for repeat engagements to avoid being labelled as imperialistic
I would attribute that which you rightfully noticed, not to "naivete", but to the fact that they didn't care.
Controversial question: How many fighting age males, Jewish or otherwise, did the Holocaust take from the war effort? [this includes the guards and those who ran the "facilities"]. In short, how much did the Holocaust cost the German economy?
I don’t know how many men who worked there, but I have heard that the nazis used between 25 and 30 billion dollars. I don’t know if this is true, but that is what I’ve heard.
Bro what the fuck this is like some Green Party progressive shit
Donald trump the bastion of everything gay and trans
@im in the middle of nowhere bruh nah, hes just a 90's democrat
Wtf
@im in the middle of nowhere bruh ok im oversimplifying obviously
He’s the same as all the politicians in America
yfw some of the democrat candidates were more right wing than trump socially
^^^
tbf
most if not all social issues are just to create the illusion of a divide between parties
just like how there is no true workers party
Democrats hit the social cues of poor non-whites
Republicans hit the social cues of working class whites
but neither has a tax program that actually benefits either group
really makes u fink
That’s demonstrably untrue as neither demo on its own forms a 50% slice of the pop or greater, in a fptp system a party cant afford to be niche. If you want more discrete policy suggestions, you need voting reform
>there is any difference between 90s democrats an repubs
90s democrats are more right wing than repubs now
it's a false dichotomy and if you can't see that you're a brainlet
repubs are just leftists who happen to be christians
Drawing any distinction between the two parties in America is brainlet behaviour. They are about as different as Fiji and Volvic water.
Even the “alternative” parties aren’t different
The real brainlet behaviour is failing to appreciate the why. Any political party seeking election needs to capture a majority of the vote in their own right. This in and of itself means that largely they are going to be the same because they are trying to appeal to the exact same people in the electorate. Second, alternative parties in American politics serve a spoiler effect as there is no manner of preferential vote or a ability for that party to re-allocate votes on their constituents behalf, so either they need to attract enough voters from under a broadly aligned major party or actually hinder their own interests, effectively incentivising them to act the same but more so. Major parties will always have a very similar platform as obviously that’s what’s popular but if you want unique policy suggestions and a higher level of representation especially towards niche voters or around single issues, you need to reform the vote