Message from @AdorableStormtrooper

Discord ID: 522048170096721921


2018-12-11 13:34:55 UTC  

long live the Vanguard of Lenin and Marx!

2018-12-11 13:35:09 UTC  

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:35:19 UTC  

utterly btfoed by a single emote

2018-12-11 13:35:21 UTC  

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:36:26 UTC  

except I'm not btfo'd in the slightest. you are allowing my accusations to go unopposed 😁

2018-12-11 13:36:30 UTC  

not a single counter argument was heard

2018-12-11 13:36:31 UTC  

not one

2018-12-11 13:36:34 UTC  

i reign supreme

2018-12-11 13:36:59 UTC  

<:bait:520002653439262721>

2018-12-11 13:37:24 UTC  
2018-12-11 13:46:31 UTC  

very gay

2018-12-11 13:48:10 UTC  

uh, no

2018-12-11 13:48:11 UTC  

more like

2018-12-11 13:48:13 UTC  

the best ideology

2018-12-11 13:48:37 UTC  

alt-right racial identitarianism is literally the most contrived ideology ever

2018-12-11 13:48:39 UTC  

pro-capitalist too

2018-12-11 13:48:41 UTC  

eww

2018-12-11 13:49:50 UTC  

>pro-capitalism
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2018-12-11 13:52:16 UTC  

^

2018-12-11 13:52:44 UTC  

most people in these parts are skeptical of capitalism @Xinyue

2018-12-11 13:53:02 UTC  

capitalism as a goal in and of itself is 💩

2018-12-11 13:55:02 UTC  

that is, most people here are opposed to the private ownership of means of production? wew, wasn't aware that I'm surrounded by literal socialists! in that case....

**Салют, товарищи!**

2018-12-11 14:00:29 UTC  

no, not entirely for it either. best economy is a protectionist one. meaning the private individuals of your nation come first. Taking from these private individuals and giving it off to the public sector is pretty much you flushing ur economy down a toilet. Now you're free to tax foreign companies as much as you want and get your gibs that way

2018-12-11 14:02:15 UTC  

so capitalism then

2018-12-11 14:02:19 UTC  

as I suspected

2018-12-11 14:02:25 UTC  

mixed rather

2018-12-11 14:02:30 UTC  

after all the economy is predicated there on private ownership of means of production

2018-12-11 14:02:39 UTC  

what you are proposing is some kind of right-wing version of social democracy

2018-12-11 14:02:46 UTC  

but still capitalism

2018-12-11 14:03:32 UTC  

the only non-capitalist movements are socialist ones, because socialists are the only people who reject private ownership of means of production. therefore yours is not in any way a movement skeptical of capitalism, merely a more mixed form of it

2018-12-11 14:03:50 UTC  

perhaps "moderate capitalism" would be a good term

2018-12-11 14:04:02 UTC  

"national capitalism" comes to mind too

2018-12-11 14:04:15 UTC  

ok, if the private individual behaves like utter shit and goes against the national interest, his shit can be seized

2018-12-11 14:04:19 UTC  

so fuck u soros

2018-12-11 14:05:13 UTC  

well sure, I get that this is what you want. I just maintain that this in no way escapes the sphere of capitalism. indeed, "national capitalism" should be a good term - capitalism subjected to the *raison d'etat* of the nation

2018-12-11 14:05:33 UTC  

its grossly inferior to socialism though

2018-12-11 14:06:33 UTC  

the capitalist still needs to be a socialist man and the gov't can't lean too much on the man

2018-12-11 14:06:56 UTC  

a capitalist cannot be a socialist; nor vice versa. I'm not sure I follow what you are saying?

2018-12-11 14:07:51 UTC  

I'm explaining an ideal, that's very implausible

2018-12-11 14:09:28 UTC  

anyway, he can't only look how to satisfy his bottom line but also to preserve the culture around him.
work has to be hard as well. otherwise people will get lazy

2018-12-11 14:10:13 UTC  

but this is nonsensical. the capitalists will wield the power in society, so long as capitalism is preserved. in no way will the nation as a whole have a say in how the resources are spent. this is in the final analysis only possible under socialist productive relations