Message from @Res Publica

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2018-12-13 09:20:03 UTC  

but our attempt at a unitary nation state

2018-12-13 09:20:13 UTC  

also no, I don't like federations

2018-12-13 09:20:31 UTC  

with OUR regional problems* sry

2018-12-13 09:20:40 UTC  

and it became a singular nation state*

2018-12-13 09:20:59 UTC  

Nationism is the answer

2018-12-13 09:21:04 UTC  

Nationalism is the idea that Nations Exist and they must work collectively in order to pursue common interests which are their continuation, preservation and reproduction. @aymem

2018-12-13 09:21:10 UTC  

Nationism is the true next stage

2018-12-13 09:21:17 UTC  

Federations are nice and can work, but there's lots of effort that must go into it that usually is quite difficult to work out. The difficulties are initial though and mostly relate to laying the groundwork of the federation in question, if the basis for the federation is laid out well at the beginning that usually mitigates problems in the long run. If not, it usually leads to problems down the line.

2018-12-13 09:21:27 UTC  

Federations are rarted

2018-12-13 09:21:44 UTC  

you can have state like divisions without giving too much autonomy

2018-12-13 09:21:55 UTC  

I think my problem with federations is the possibility of these separate states becoming jealous, or imperialistic and regionalist over others @Xinyue I don't know what to think of federalism yet

2018-12-13 09:21:56 UTC  

if you want that much autonomy, become a separate state

2018-12-13 09:22:17 UTC  

federations are just a struggle

2018-12-13 09:22:20 UTC  

That is a problem and nowhere was this seen as well as in the downfall of the SFRY yes @aymem

2018-12-13 09:22:27 UTC  

it comes down to laying the groundwork properly

2018-12-13 09:22:37 UTC  

yeah i think so

2018-12-13 09:22:58 UTC  

Yugaslavia was rarted Commie idea

2018-12-13 09:23:06 UTC  

which, I realise, is difficult because the kind of ill tendencies that you speak of usually are present when the federation is being proclaimed, with factions vying for power etc.

2018-12-13 09:23:40 UTC  

nationalism is harder in a federation, because there are local allegiances

2018-12-13 09:23:40 UTC  

I think that there has to be some kind of alternative to federalism, or atleast a better application ofi t

2018-12-13 09:23:46 UTC  

federalism sucks

2018-12-13 09:23:55 UTC  

the republic must be united and undivided

2018-12-13 09:24:00 UTC  

Nation building requires the Destruction of these allegiances, which is an atrocity

2018-12-13 09:24:02 UTC  

Yugoslavia did come into being without communists, at the end of the first world war @AdorableStormtrooper the commies made it into a worthwhile project but it did exist before their entrance

2018-12-13 09:24:05 UTC  

just become a separate country

2018-12-13 09:24:34 UTC  

Kingdom of Yugoslavia, that is

2018-12-13 09:24:35 UTC  

nigga take away the idea of nation from nationalism, it's nation-state

2018-12-13 09:24:37 UTC  

not the same nigga

2018-12-13 09:24:51 UTC  
2018-12-13 09:25:10 UTC  

Austromarxists developed this interesting idea of nation, in which they tried to realise a sort of Marxist nations without nationalism. Not sure what to think of it yet, but have you read of it?

2018-12-13 09:25:13 UTC  

Nationalism is the idea of Establishing a Nation State and keeping it, innit? 🙄

2018-12-13 09:25:24 UTC  

^

2018-12-13 09:25:42 UTC  

>Austromarxists developed this interesting idea of nation, in which they tried to realise a sort of Marxist nations without nationalism. Not sure what to think of it yet, but have you read of it?


No, also for a second read Astromarxist

2018-12-13 09:25:49 UTC  

lol

2018-12-13 09:25:53 UTC  

Astromarxism needs to exist

2018-12-13 09:25:59 UTC  

eventually

2018-12-13 09:26:01 UTC  

😎

2018-12-13 09:26:20 UTC  

no but i've never heard of a marxist rendition of nations, and without nationalism

2018-12-13 09:26:25 UTC  

why is your name Four

2018-12-13 09:26:32 UTC  

number of jupiter, it's a larp thing

2018-12-13 09:26:37 UTC  

sooner hopefully rather than later 😁 mai hart yearns for interplanetary gommunizm