not all were evil

What about a mentally retarded man?

Can he truly be expected to find morality obvious

well yes and most do

Or does he require instruction

and if not, god knows

you should be teachers

the bible says

so you can teach

I believe living a Christian Life is NOT obvious, which is why we have the Bible, prayer, a community of Christians, elders, etc.

jesus will tell people

go away from me i have never known you

those that say they believe in god

We enter it ignorant and must learn

yet just do evil stuff

to them he will say

i have never known you

thereby pointing out that they did not truly believe at all

a christian life means being a good person. and yes, the bible is god's word. the bible says to give your life for your friend is an expression of the greatest love

the bible also says the letter kills

so to read the bible to save another person or teach him is to give your life

At this point I am convinced that the debate is based solely on different ways of communicating the same thing

the only thing im pointing out is

do not rely on your works thinking you will be saved because of them

rely on your faith

You say faith alone, I say faith without works is dead, but we both believe that a man of faith must live his faith out

god does not love boasters

well he does love them

but he isnt satisfied with them

yes but even if one is not a believer, one is already a good person most of the time

so works isnt really that much of an issue

just be a good person

The point you're getting at is without God's freely given offer of salvation to us, we would fall short

yes

all glory to christ

all glory to god

So the source of our hope is God

yes

Well duh

if you were to present to him and say

i have helped 50 people, i have done this and i have done that