if you want to talk about philisophical errors on outlook can we talk about the river of fire thing from the orthodoxes

The thing about the river of fire being the same as the river of life?

yes

It’s not dogmatic that you have to believe that, but it makes a certain amount of sense

Why should animals have rights?

I know you should nt do nonsensical things on principle but I don't understand the argument from ppl on the right that animal testing expecially cosmetic testing on animals is inhumane

We should use sex offenders for that kind of testing

not joking

instead of animals

Because when they become intelligent and form a society, they won't start enslaving us humans

I advocate for human testing when they have done henious crimes

I mean you don't need to use animals for that when you have perverts that can just as easily fill the same purpose

Jokes aside, most people that say that says because they pity the animal, "think of their suffering"

Or also, in some cases, because they find them cute

The part that I find ppl on the right saying this bothers me

By right I mean JQ-woke right

Most of these people wouldn't mind a genocide on cockroaches, insects etc, even if they are a crucial part of the ecosystem, just because they're ugly and gross

Well, they can be JQ-Woke but not Animal-Woke

humans are biologically more empathetic towards animals than they are towards insects

interacting with a roach does not benefit us in any significant way than it would have a human being thousands of years ago domesticating wolves for hunting

insects are still animals, it would be better to say they are more empathetic to mammals

well technically insects are their own category and they are important to ecosystems

but i cant ever feel anything for a roach

but i would feel empathetic if i saw a dog being attacked on the street

I would say that some of the roles animals have in our societies is dictated by culture and it should stay that way... in other cases well.. needless suffering is just needless.

I'm just correcting you scientifically, insects are Arthropods and Arthropods are from the Kingdom Animalia in Biology

Don't really care much about animals, just feel they have a important role in the ecosystem and thus should be preserved, same as Plants, Fungi etc

So I would have a problem with people killing a dog but not really with people killing a pig but even with the pig I would say that it should still be put down without the needless suffering.

Yeah, animals have different roles based on culture too, killing a Cow in India would be blasphemy, but in most other regions a Cow is just Meat and Milk

yup

its intersting how cows became such a sacred thing in India

theyre such a good source of meat and milk

ive never bothered to read up on the history myself

So doing a quick research apparently in Hinduism eating meat isn't very sacred, doubt that many of them are vegetarians but it isn't very sacred, and the cow is associated with the mother of all the gods in Hindu, guess we know now

so cows are literally gods?

maybe the shit we find in indian streets dont come from indians but from cows

Nah, they just associate with a god, kinda like we associate the cross with Jesus

I heard that some of the shitting is because of cows, but in recent times the shitting problem isn't as big as it was

well apparently india is turning into a superpower by 2020

i reckon they can afford better bathroom stalls in the rural areas now

Nah nah, India will be the new Made in China, them it will become a top player