lol

Who said Venezuela is fascist?

liberal =/= leftist

Reactionaries are worse than fascists

Read it slowly @aymem

nobody said Venezuela is fascist

The serb is showing his amazing reading skills again, don't mind

anyone who isn't a commie isn't a leftist. - Xinu the Commie

no

says that as the most matter of fact thing too

@Xinyue it isn't fascist in any sense, the nucleus of fascism is nationalism, fascism (nationalism) has been dead for a long time, the only resurgence you'll get of anything remotely fascistic would be nationalism, and even then it won't be fascism. And in the 21st century sense you have 2 examples of parties that you would call Fascist, one that is actually Fascist in that it actually follows the fascist tenets and doctrine, and one that is an ethno nationalist nativistic party

anyone who isn't a socialist isn't a leftist. communists, mutualists, anarchists, syndicalists, communalists, democratic confederalists, etc. etc. these are the left. the rest are just centrists

@Khat Emperor i'm not really focused on what you're saying, what is your point

Watching pseuds fight is hilarious

@Xinyue by the spectrum of a socialist dude... don't be a retard

everyone uses the liberal spectrum

"left" and "right" are utterly meaningless concepts outside property relation

the property relation is what gives them meaning

Muh postmodernism

left wing = prioritises social ownership
right wing = prioritises private ownership

and we see this even happen! by and large, ancaps, conservatives, economic liberals, etc. are considered to be right-wing, and social democrats, socialists, communists etc. are considered to be left wing. the property analysis is valid whether or not you like it

That is not a good way to tell the left from the right at all

it doesn't matter though, this is how it's defined by your side, but you're an extremely small minority, you can't expect most people to use your definition

the liberal definition is the mainstream definition

its literally the only definition of left and right that can ever hope to be objective and, therefore, useful

It's like you forgot left libertarians exist

:/

left libertarians by and large still want social ownership, such as libertarian marxists, libertarian socialists, anarcho-syndicalists etc

I disagree

have you read libertarian marxists, libertarian socialists and anarcho-syndicalists?

libertarian left is still pro social ownership

@Xinyue i'm not saying your method is wrong, what i'm saying is that most people just do not use that method and it's only focused on the economic side of things, if we had a social spectrum, economic spectrum etc etc then yeah

in fact it demands complete abolition of private property in many cases

Simple, you said that wikipedia is leftist in the liberal sense(in a effort to discret the info on their) and i replied with saying that conservatism is derived from liberalism(meaning that you also could try to discret conservative sources) @aymem

Liberalism and being Liberal isn't the same thing...

No it's pro social aid programs libertarianism is about personal rights which communism is opposed to

Nah, that's just an american thing @Xinyue

communism isn't opposed to people having rights wtf

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Conservatism is still liberalism

derived from liberalism

"left libertarian"