I mean, its something of a thin hope, but I think that Bolivarian Revolution and the Zapatista Movement in the 1990s kind of proved that the dissolution of the USSR *wasn't the end of the story of socialism as a movement* @aymem

the same with Front National in France

Marine Le Pen is married to a Jewish Algerian

Jobbik is pro Mongolia and afd is pro lesbians/jews

@ImATomato it's cancer hour

they're civic nationalists

And Jobbik?

Most Fascists are not civic nationalists

Pro Mongolia @Spookaswa

no idea, Jobbik is apparently pro israel? and very similar to Trump?

meme

What

Jobbik is known for its anti zionism though

?

Where is the dab emote?

@Spookaswa I said no idea, i don't know much about Jobbik

It's not, they literally support turkic nationalism

:dab:

I don't understand how anyone can call themselves a Civic nationalist and think they're consistent

@Xinyue yeah idk... i already have my reasons for thinking it won't be revived but who knows

*Hunnic nationalism

It is called turanism,look it up @Spookaswa

@Spookaswa btw with fascism you'll get a lot of people say "controlled opposition" to a lot of far right parties

I know

Fascists are retarded

The success of Marxism is nowhere to be seen, all you boil down to are disastrous states that decay into insignificant little movements that pop back up every now and then like the libertarians do every now and then

@Spookaswa they have a point, they're not

<:boomer:521456245505523712> @ImATomato

Lots and lots depends on PSUV surviving the campaign of economic war waged against it though. Its not that socialism will die off with Venezuela, but it will be beaten back at least one or two decades until it finds another country to manifest through. With the fall of Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua *will go also.* If it survives, the ALBA can be made into a socialist economic bloc as PSUV carries out its communalisation program. But again, if Venezuela is toppled, all of this becomes just alternate history timeline.

when far right parties are called fascist, but are literally civic nationalist parties that would be called conservative or centrist a decade ago, i understand their point

They have a few good points, but, in general, they're retarded

what is infuriating about PSUV, is how fucking passive it is

PSUV?

United Socialist Party of Venezuela

Ohhh

Right

Partida Socialista Unida de Venezuela

probably

It's a bit too soon for fascism to hold any presence in the public sphere

Led by Nicolas "Under my leadership Venezuela got 1 million percent inflation" Maduro

they are real socialists in ideology, wanting to carry out a post-capitalist transformation of Venezuela into a socialist state, form of which they call "Communal State" - state which would be pretty long into the road of withering away of the state. Chavez himself was a self-described Marxist, so I think the credentials aren't in doubt.

However, their praxis is **atrociously bad**