Message from @aymem

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2018-12-18 12:08:11 UTC  

oh lol sorry

2018-12-18 12:08:18 UTC  

no no should've used @

2018-12-18 12:08:25 UTC  

np

2018-12-18 12:08:38 UTC  

why can't the species itself be the reference point for belonging and meaning @aymem

2018-12-18 12:08:44 UTC  

what species+

2018-12-18 12:08:46 UTC  

species+

2018-12-18 12:08:48 UTC  

fuck

2018-12-18 12:08:49 UTC  

😄

2018-12-18 12:08:51 UTC  

species¨

2018-12-18 12:08:53 UTC  

omg...

2018-12-18 12:08:55 UTC  

:DDDD

2018-12-18 12:08:59 UTC  

species?

2018-12-18 12:09:00 UTC  

>1) man is a limited being, defined by the objects of his needs in the material world of phenomena

reductionism of a man, he's nothing more than his wants and needs.

>2) man is conditioned by material realities; his thoughts will not deliver him that which he needs, and for this reason he must labour - it is precisely labour which is the mode of being in which man is at his most substantial, when not only he pursues objects of his needs, but he changes reality itself to suit his needs

his thoughts won't deliver anything, but the communism will. completely removing a chance for a man to mature and again reduce him to his wants and needs and never going through a struggle to achieve something greater than himself or his initial goal. You see labor as an obstacle I see it as a necessity.

>3) man enters into social relationships because of the objects and subjects of his needs

another reductionism similar to ancap reductionism of social interaction

>4) and man's alienation from others (who are not part of his limited being but instead separate from it, despite being subjects of his needs and desires) is specifically ended when people labour together, pursue projects together, work to change life for the better and reality to accord with their will

more wrong conclusions from an already flawed view

your view is not meaningful, it's utterly void of meaning. There's no other purpose but to satisfy ur own ego

2018-12-18 12:09:06 UTC  

not going to read that

2018-12-18 12:09:09 UTC  

but thank you

2018-12-18 12:10:07 UTC  

>You see labour as an obstacle, I see it as a necessity

cringe!!!

2018-12-18 12:10:46 UTC  

@Bird Wizard 1) not reductionism, man quite literally is the summation of his needs and his desires to a very, very large extent

2) so you agree with my point, that material realities are not changed by thoughts alone

3) man did enter to social relationships at the dawn of human beings for specifically this reason

4) not sure how that constitutes an argument

2018-12-18 12:11:07 UTC  

"Reductionism" the amazing essay by birb wizard

2018-12-18 12:11:13 UTC  

lul

2018-12-18 12:11:13 UTC  

lol

2018-12-18 12:11:33 UTC  

first funny thing you said today @Khat Emperor

2018-12-18 12:11:34 UTC  

> You see labor as an obstacle I see it as a necessity.

literally said it is the most purest form of man's existence

2018-12-18 12:11:40 UTC  

wtf

2018-12-18 12:11:42 UTC  

jfc

2018-12-18 12:11:46 UTC  

he thinks communism is when you get free stuff

2018-12-18 12:11:48 UTC  

unironically

2018-12-18 12:11:52 UTC  

oh ffs

2018-12-18 12:12:18 UTC  

>free stuff
u work for it, but there's only so much free stuff to give

2018-12-18 12:12:24 UTC  

LOL

2018-12-18 12:12:25 UTC  

"First funny thing you said today"

2018-12-18 12:12:27 UTC  

<:GWfroggyBeaned:398569153713143858>

2018-12-18 12:12:30 UTC  

there's never an incentive to improve the quality

2018-12-18 12:12:42 UTC  

only the most basic survive mentality

2018-12-18 12:12:56 UTC  

the main mode of communist spirituality is *active,* or *creative* one. Where man comes together with man to produce, to create things, for the betterment of all people. It is very socially meaningful, individually and praxiologically meaningful view on human beings. Not sure what the passive masturbation on "muh nation" has to compete with that

2018-12-18 12:13:13 UTC  

i mean it's true that Communism would not be able to achieve the evolution that capitalism has achieved

2018-12-18 12:13:17 UTC  

You know that there are more incentives than just a money based incentive right ?

2018-12-18 12:13:24 UTC  

money is up there tho

2018-12-18 12:13:28 UTC  

I know

2018-12-18 12:13:40 UTC  

But it isn't the only incentive

2018-12-18 12:13:53 UTC  

Communism emerges from capitalism, so of course it can't do the things that the previous mode of economic production achieved. Anymore than it makes sense for capitalism to be doing the things feudalism did.

2018-12-18 12:14:24 UTC  

Sometimes cappies dabble in that feudal shit tho 😄