Four i dont think i've answered your question, I dont wish to destroy ethnos I only wish to subvert the elements of nationhood in order to unite people into functional societies.

the examples he used were through force

Japan looks pretty consolidated, as does Germany and Finland. So I say that the unification that happened in these countries was quite irreversible. I don't know why the future unifications that follow same incentive trajectory wouldn't be also.

@ImATomato I don't mind, I'm guessing you mean trying to mix the cultures together to make one or something, idk

that's the thing - we shouldn't compare these countries with radically different histories and cultures to one another's unification

The cultures of the fiefdoms that unified in these countries had also radically different histories

we're also not taking into account the time periods in which this occurred and how it occurred

often antagonistic ones too

>Japan looks pretty consolidated, as does Germany and Finland.

Ignoring Japan since it's an island (same for Taiwan) you can't genuinely use Germany as your example considering it's separation for so damn long and how new the country is, and even with how new it is, the fact that many cultures inside germany are treated ass their own thing (Bavaria) and with the case of Finland, your problems with Russia outweigh any sense of sovereignty

i actually despise the mixing of cultures if they're widely distinct. I'm not a globalist I'm a nationalist. I dont want to unify every nation or race, i just want to make them less dysfunctional

If you're mixing a Bavarian with a Frisian it's one thing, if you're mixing a Somali with a Sapmi its whole other story.

the Somalis lmao

>The cultures of the fiefdoms that unified in these countries had also radically different histories

One was nationalism, the other threat of imperialism, and the 3rd is a fucking island

@Xinyue after you respond we'll leave it for now because we've been talking for like 2 or 3 hours I think, it was fun though

Ultimately, the ethnicist can only comprehend the world through a system of established nation-states; for him it is incomprehensible that, as a new world culture emerges (which is currently in process of emerging and, due to its bourgeois character is shit), the distinctions between countries are going to melt away.

This has been the process throughout history. From disparate families into tribes, from tribes into fiefdoms, from fiefdoms to kingdoms, from kingdoms to empires and unified nation states, from empires and unified nation states to global trade blocs. And, only one step is left to take and the process has reached its logical conclusion.

the ethnicist?

i don't know the ethnic identitarian

whatever

me?

or are you quoting something?

the idea of distinction between countries melting away sounds disgusting

to a degree it is true.

I've already explained how liberalism uproots a nation from it's natural state

if you mean in regards to how nation-states unite, then maybe

I know i said i'd stop but i just want to say one thing

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The view of the USSR was that it was going to happen gradually and via ever-closer cooperation and ultimately on terms acceptable to the countries themselves. But the capitalists push it hard whether or not you like it, and on a timeframe that suits their interests.

I'm an ethno-pluralist, but still an internationalist, and society constantly evolves and becomes bigger bigger in terms of civilisation, these things **Do Not** contradict eachother @Xinyue i'll talk about it later

It doesnt uproot individuals from the nation, it uproots them from any form of sociality that doesnt involve it's members to be perfectly interchangeable.

I mean I myself am a pro-nation internationalist

in that i don't actively seek their destruction

Sampi ? @ImATomato

"actively"

but I do view the emergence of the world culture as inevitability

@Khat Emperor Saami idk what they're spelled

Lol

Isn't it sapmi

They are eurasian

yeah @Hagre meaning that I don't mind they exist

Lmao

the ones that herd reindeers and shit