that's like taking capitalism and defining it as anti private property all the sudden

it doesn't make any sense

ok, now are we talking corporations, or small businesses, i think thats the important difference

with socialism

i'm all for a corporative state, worker's councils etc

socialism = worker ownership of the bloody means of labour

no corporations, no

this isn't something invented by Marx either

this was present in the work of the Utopian Socialists already

Proudhon, Saint-Simon, d'Hupay, Owen, etc.

"German Socialism" is a non-term

it doesn't denote anything

other than possibly Strasserism

🤷 mabe
but i guess its all semantics

no these are actual terms that are used by economists, political scientists etc.

they do matter

sure. but its important to differentiate between natsoc and original soc i suppose

natsoc isn't really socialism

if by that is meant Hitlerism

if Strasserism then it is

I think its important to understand that Hitler was a dishonest actor

I think its important to understand that Hitler did nothing wrong

the other interpretation is that Hitler was an idiot who did not understand the terms he used

I prefer the former interpretation though

that he was dishonest

that he was trying to woo the supporters of KPD and SPD

and it did work indeed

i wouldn't say he was dishonest
but yeah, the use of red, using socialism in the name, he was trying to gain leftist support which was brewing with the rise of the communists,
mixed with the violence caused by the communists, the fact that 10-11 of the 15 leaders of the german communist uprising were jewish, was a perfect storm for hitler to rise to power,
also with the decadence of weimar and the starving people, many of whom prostituted themselves

or actually, i wouldn't say leftist support, but that did help
but rather people leaning towards the left, who wanted solutions to their crisis
And hitler saw what was happening in the ussr, etc etc and didn't want that, so he stepped in

I'm glad the night of the long knives happened

yes so he was misleading people then 😄

come on

no...

>misleading
>implying communism is the correct way

it wasn't marxist, thats the thing

he was kind of giving the impression that he was doing socialism when in reality there was nothing socialist in his policies

lol

u mean he wasn't stealing from his own people and redistributing it

muh "german socialism" - the doublespeak term that has no connection to the actual history of the socialist literature

dude do you want me to send you a pdf of the book i'm talking about lol
it wasn't like it wasn't a real concept

as Hitler used it, it didn't have connection to the socialist literature yes

ofc not