true

the Union lived and died by him

Lenin was a bellend

@Loser Aspects of Proudhon's thinking definitely fall within the market socialist frame of thinking, let alone Saint-Simon, and both were certainly considered an Utopian Socialist by both Marx and Engels. Then again, you are clearly a person of dogmatic inclination, and the dogmatic intellect is a weak form of intellect - it lacks creative impetus and cannot stand on its own.

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@Xinyue ". Then again, you are clearly a person of dogmatic inclination, and the dogmatic intellect is a weak form of intellect - it lacks creative impetus and cannot stand on its own." like again you didn't refute my points on it being anti-dialectical and still having profit motive and fetishization, but calls me a sectetarian. " Aspects of Proudhon's thinking definitely fall within the market socialist frame of thinking, let alone Saint-Simon, and both were certainly considered an Utopian Socialist by both Marx and Engels." Obviously, but that is not my point.

xinu is a 1920s Communist Ideologue put out of Time

That was, however, my point. Both of them were market socialists in many aspects of their thinking and they qualified as socialists, even if utopian. Your doctrinaire subpar point was thoroughly refuted by this simple observation.

No, as that is not a counter-argument

you just refuted market-socialsim

not talking about my own argument

Yes it is. You cited Marxists to prove that marsoc isn't socialism, and I utilised same exact appeal to authority and cited Marx and Engels to prove that they can be considered socialists.

What's going on here?

It is *not scientific socialism*

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but Utopian forms exist

Oh wait okay

@Xinyue No, as it is not scientific socialism and marx WAS

@Enigmatic★Chromatic u commie?

Yeah I would consider Market Socialism socialism, but I thinks it's misguided

Nobody denies that it isn't fucking scientific socialism, the whole point is that there's socialism beyond the scientific and MarSoc belongs there

Yeah, Maoist leaning

ffs

this server is the worst during evening

Jfc the Hoxhaists should be gassed

It's 11:47 here

Maoists should be Gulagged

@Xinyue No it does not, as i explained before in my points

you have no counterarguments

i am a maoist

Your non-point explained nothing

hoxhaists are gay

now i support xinu

Hoxa gang pride worldwide

@Xinyue literally all you did was talk about scientific socialism, not my argument

Oh yes, Maoist in 2018 - the great ideology of the agrarian-worker-bourgeois alliance is sure to deliver world revolution in the 21st century! Being a Maoist is a refutation of a persons politics by its own.

First world maoism is retarded

i agree

well that point we agree on at least

like, maybe its useful in Afghanistan

or something