Message from @Bee

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2018-12-27 06:36:38 UTC  

I say that, over a century or so, the merging-together of nations will take place - for a myriad of different, sometimes contradictory reasons. It won't be sudden process.

Like I said, not in our lifetimes. We will see considerable integration among nations, we'll see mixing and more, but we won't see the wholesale disappearance of national majorities until the conditions for this are ready. And it will be somewhere in the 2100s, I think. Much integration, lots of it bourgeois no doubt, will happen in the 2000s though.

2018-12-27 06:36:47 UTC  

okay epic @Gerçek

2018-12-27 06:36:57 UTC  

I'm glad you're convinced.

2018-12-27 06:37:21 UTC  

so you're siding with the bourgeois? EPIC @Xinyue

2018-12-27 06:37:47 UTC  

Oh my god. I'm not an idealist, I look at *material and technical conditions* and how they develop. Historical materialism, do you know what that means?

2018-12-27 06:38:24 UTC  

yes i do, but its really funny that you admit that international capitalism will play a part in instating international communism

2018-12-27 06:38:31 UTC  

This is not me *siding* with bourgeoisie, this is me saying *how bourgeois society will do X and Y*

2018-12-27 06:38:39 UTC  

It means you just ignore half the things about motivations of people.

2018-12-27 06:38:46 UTC  

that about right?

2018-12-27 06:38:48 UTC  
2018-12-27 06:38:49 UTC  

they are still the vehicle, which you ride on

2018-12-27 06:39:05 UTC  

Yes, the racist motivations of people is the reason why we all live in pure ethnostates....oh wait @Gerçek

2018-12-27 06:39:20 UTC  

>living with people like me is racist

2018-12-27 06:39:31 UTC  

truth is that people are not predispositioned towards this, which is why you guys need to struggle hard against the stream

2018-12-27 06:39:32 UTC  

So after communism it just becomes liberalism ?

2018-12-27 06:39:42 UTC  

uh yeah they are lmao

2018-12-27 06:39:51 UTC  

thats how tribes are formed

2018-12-27 06:39:56 UTC  

You guys ignore a whole lot about human nature, especially the spiritual element of it, even at times developing this great hatred of it.

2018-12-27 06:40:05 UTC  

thats how all biological collectives are formed

2018-12-27 06:40:05 UTC  

wasn't Hitchens a Socialist?

2018-12-27 06:40:19 UTC  

@Gerçek thank you

2018-12-27 06:40:30 UTC  

Literally are not, no. And tribes became kingdoms, kingdoms empires, empires into integrated politico-economic blocs (EU, ASEAN, ALBA, etc). The trend is always towards the *expansion* of a given political and economic system.

2018-12-27 06:40:47 UTC  

and i am for this, but for my people

2018-12-27 06:41:02 UTC  

But there's literally no reason apart from sentimentality of racial narcissism to do this

2018-12-27 06:41:08 UTC  

you can not make a single argument that is not that

2018-12-27 06:41:14 UTC  

People used to live under empires just fine, you don't necessarily *need* Nation States.

2018-12-27 06:41:20 UTC  

i can still cooperate with other races but why can't i stick to mine?

2018-12-27 06:41:31 UTC  

you can

2018-12-27 06:41:36 UTC  

You can stick to your white commune, and become a laughing stock for the observers

2018-12-27 06:41:52 UTC  

brutal

2018-12-27 06:42:15 UTC  

>laughing stock
lol ok
>hurr i'm a retard for wanting to be around people that are like me
you sound like a radical liberal individualist

2018-12-27 06:42:32 UTC  

which proves my point in intern. cap = intern com

2018-12-27 06:43:03 UTC  

you can choose to associate with who ever you like, most white people have white friends and family members, same goes for blacks ppl

2018-12-27 06:43:03 UTC  

Tribal association declined greatly once nation-states developed. You do not really have any tribal association in Finland, for example. Once the nations merge, same will happen to nations - they will become much like counties are today

2018-12-27 06:43:38 UTC  

but it's SOCIALLY COHESIVE because it's HOMOGENOUS
which is the point

2018-12-27 06:43:42 UTC  

Its not

2018-12-27 06:43:47 UTC  

yeah it is lol

2018-12-27 06:44:03 UTC  

Finland in 1918 had huge civil war, one of the most brutal in Europe, brother killed brother and father killed son

2018-12-27 06:44:05 UTC  

I lost the topic was afk

2018-12-27 06:44:07 UTC  

Homogenous is Subjective.. depends on what frame you're using..

2018-12-27 06:44:11 UTC  

yes