Message from @Xinyue

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2018-12-27 07:23:52 UTC  

people will use the applications that are *utterly beneficial*

2018-12-27 07:24:03 UTC  

can you make a cogent argument why they would be super into existential threat applications?

2018-12-27 07:24:04 UTC  

no?

2018-12-27 07:24:11 UTC  

did you even read what i wrote?

2018-12-27 07:24:16 UTC  

i guess you're not interested

2018-12-27 07:24:16 UTC  

You aren't making sense

2018-12-27 07:24:21 UTC  

🤷

2018-12-27 07:24:24 UTC  

You are connecting points that don't connect

2018-12-27 07:24:26 UTC  

I've seen you do this before

2018-12-27 07:24:26 UTC  

you argue that,

2018-12-27 07:24:30 UTC  

as we use gene editing,

2018-12-27 07:24:31 UTC  

ok 😃

2018-12-27 07:24:35 UTC  

we'll end up somehow in AI dystopia

2018-12-27 07:24:42 UTC  

which is a tremendous non-sequitur

2018-12-27 07:25:01 UTC  

in fact! the improving of human cognitive capacity *reduces* need for AI

2018-12-27 07:25:01 UTC  

jfc

2018-12-27 07:25:03 UTC  

this is obvious

2018-12-27 07:25:27 UTC  

you choose the path of the biological species improvement and consistently reject silicon and AI based solutions

2018-12-27 07:26:00 UTC  

you're not gonna be able to do that when AI can come up with better mutations

2018-12-27 07:26:21 UTC  

that are mutually beneficial to AI and the human individual

2018-12-27 07:27:15 UTC  

the AI hype first of all is overblown, there's no clear reason to believe that we will somehow end up in a situation where the AI progressively becomes much smarter than human beings. there are considerations of data storage, energy consumption, efficiency and processing power here which aren't clear are possible to allow for the "Superintelligent AI hypothesis".

Second of all, why would you think that people want to apply dangerous gene-editing solutions into themselves.

2018-12-27 07:27:36 UTC  

it doesn't have to become much smarter than human beings

2018-12-27 07:27:40 UTC  

that's what i said

2018-12-27 07:27:49 UTC  

this doesn't require a general intellegence AI

2018-12-27 07:27:53 UTC  

It doesn't even need to be as generally intelligent as humans, no, to be danger

2018-12-27 07:28:09 UTC  

we already have this technology, it's just not in widespread adoption yet

2018-12-27 07:28:26 UTC  

but again we can clearly argue for why relying on AI is the *false step* and commit ourselves to bettering of the species along biological lines and in away that doesn't pose existential danger

2018-12-27 07:28:29 UTC  

to ignore this,

2018-12-27 07:28:31 UTC  

to think you cannot,

2018-12-27 07:28:45 UTC  

would demand that humans are suicidal and have no survival instinct

2018-12-27 07:29:41 UTC  

again, improving general cognitive capacity of human beings

a) lessens reliance on AI
b) makes people more and more aware of all the risks of AI
c) allows people to become more and more *organically minded* as a consequence

2018-12-27 07:30:24 UTC  

```but again we can clearly argue for why relying on AI is the false step and commit ourselves to bettering of the species along biological lines and in away that doesn't pose existential danger```

you will not ween everyone off against buying into mutations (and doing this will be socially acceptable by that time) that seem biologically beneficial to them.

the point is that users will replace non users, always, being more healthy, productive and sexually attractive. and that mutation will become wide spread.

2018-12-27 07:30:29 UTC  

the better people understand the risk landscape facing us in 21st century, very much the better for *our species chances' of survival*

it isn't entirely clear to me how you would argue against this

2018-12-27 07:30:37 UTC  

currently, not many grasp this

2018-12-27 07:30:42 UTC  

the real extent of the challenge ahead

2018-12-27 07:31:13 UTC  

you're not saying anything at this point

2018-12-27 07:31:23 UTC  

@Gerçek why would we want our species' future to be determined by an AI?

2018-12-27 07:31:29 UTC  

I certainly don't

2018-12-27 07:31:34 UTC  

I know very, very few people who do

2018-12-27 07:31:36 UTC  

that is my question to you, fren.

2018-12-27 07:31:41 UTC  

I do not, no