Message from @Gerçek

Discord ID: 527748515766599705


2018-12-27 07:21:12 UTC  

well, there is an element of inevitability yes

2018-12-27 07:21:30 UTC  

What you can do is argue for true AI ban because it is an existential threat

2018-12-27 07:21:38 UTC  

nootropics and limited use of gene-editing *isn't*

2018-12-27 07:21:44 UTC  

but that's not the point, you're making an active claim for this

2018-12-27 07:21:52 UTC  

without dealing with ethical concerns

2018-12-27 07:22:06 UTC  

I'm making an active claim that nootropics and gene-editing will be used, yes, and will yield certain outcomes.

2018-12-27 07:22:08 UTC  

Now,

2018-12-27 07:22:16 UTC  

humans are a species imbued with strong survival instinct

2018-12-27 07:22:33 UTC  

there's no reason to assume that strong AI research *must* in every scenario be a factor

2018-12-27 07:22:37 UTC  

```and neither can you prevent people from using those beneficial limited uses```

this

```nootropics and limited use of gene-editing isn't```

and this idea of *limited use* don't fit together

2018-12-27 07:22:52 UTC  

limited use, yes, which doesn't pose a risk

2018-12-27 07:22:57 UTC  

not all uses of gene editing pose a risk

2018-12-27 07:23:23 UTC  

to say that we *must* utilise the very dangerous applications is like saying that, due to the emergence of nuclear technology, we must instantly devolve into nuclear war

2018-12-27 07:23:23 UTC  

you won't be about to stop people from going beyond your set limits, by your own argument

2018-12-27 07:23:28 UTC  

you're being incoherent

2018-12-27 07:23:39 UTC  

uh, yes

2018-12-27 07:23:40 UTC  

ahahahaha

2018-12-27 07:23:52 UTC  

people will use the applications that are *utterly beneficial*

2018-12-27 07:24:03 UTC  

can you make a cogent argument why they would be super into existential threat applications?

2018-12-27 07:24:04 UTC  

no?

2018-12-27 07:24:11 UTC  

did you even read what i wrote?

2018-12-27 07:24:16 UTC  

i guess you're not interested

2018-12-27 07:24:16 UTC  

You aren't making sense

2018-12-27 07:24:21 UTC  

🤷

2018-12-27 07:24:24 UTC  

You are connecting points that don't connect

2018-12-27 07:24:26 UTC  

I've seen you do this before

2018-12-27 07:24:26 UTC  

you argue that,

2018-12-27 07:24:30 UTC  

as we use gene editing,

2018-12-27 07:24:31 UTC  

ok 😃

2018-12-27 07:24:35 UTC  

we'll end up somehow in AI dystopia

2018-12-27 07:24:42 UTC  

which is a tremendous non-sequitur

2018-12-27 07:25:01 UTC  

in fact! the improving of human cognitive capacity *reduces* need for AI

2018-12-27 07:25:01 UTC  

jfc

2018-12-27 07:25:03 UTC  

this is obvious

2018-12-27 07:25:27 UTC  

you choose the path of the biological species improvement and consistently reject silicon and AI based solutions

2018-12-27 07:26:00 UTC  

you're not gonna be able to do that when AI can come up with better mutations

2018-12-27 07:26:21 UTC  

that are mutually beneficial to AI and the human individual

2018-12-27 07:27:15 UTC  

the AI hype first of all is overblown, there's no clear reason to believe that we will somehow end up in a situation where the AI progressively becomes much smarter than human beings. there are considerations of data storage, energy consumption, efficiency and processing power here which aren't clear are possible to allow for the "Superintelligent AI hypothesis".

Second of all, why would you think that people want to apply dangerous gene-editing solutions into themselves.

2018-12-27 07:27:36 UTC  

it doesn't have to become much smarter than human beings

2018-12-27 07:27:40 UTC  

that's what i said

2018-12-27 07:27:49 UTC  

this doesn't require a general intellegence AI