Do you remember when I outlined the 'culture of poverty' by Oscar Lewis?

yes, I remember when you cited the shapeshifter

Ignoring that stupid remark, one of the traits he outlined as being present and indicators of the culture of poverty were men as occasional contributors, fathers of many children, having 'bling' ornaments, being 'sharp dressers' (probably in the modern day buying all that brand name shit while being poor?) and women being the centre of the household due to the absence of and marginalization of men in that sphere

I don't think that in the present state the African American community can just fix itself, obviously someone from outside is going to have to fix the problem, and that is why I embrace civic nationalism

"stupid remark"

You said 'the shapeshifter' so yes, stupid remark

In a free and fair society, with high levels of state transparency and strong institutions, there is no reason to blame your failure on 'the system', meritocracy renders that excuse totally invalid; let everyone have equal opportunity and let everyone become part of a new and all-encompassing culture; a culture of loving your countrymen and loving your land, grow the land of your ancestors and harvest her fruits, become an innovator, solve your own problems, have a family and do not live outside your means, take care of the environment and do not let uncontrolled waves of people who do not share these values enter your country

the guy was a son of a rabbi, he came up with something subversive and changed his name to appear white

he's a shapeshifter

He was Jewish, so what? His explanations of adaptations to poverty are literally plain to see

Give me a reason to attempt fixing the African American community, why is that my issue?
Additionally, people have been trying to fix it since it started, not much progress

Are you work of his I've cited because he was a jew, because you disagree with them, or because you are trying to derail the argument?

It's probably your issue because you're the one complaining about them

Because Jews have a tendency of trying to appear white while pushing civil rights type bullshit

Make it palatable

I disagree with it, him being Jewish just makes me extra wary

So you do not see the following

- instant gratification
- women as the centre of the household; men as marginal, occasional contributors
- low aspirations
- men as 'sharp dressers'
- men fathering many children
- families with high incidences of cohabitation
- little reliance on banks and no investment strategies

As being present in the black community in America?

These are *literally* the first things you notice when you examine that community

His explanations of adaptations to poverty is just something I don't buy because blacks are like this everywhere

Dude

Even if the hole is not on your side of the ship, the ship will still sink

Men as sharp dressers, fathering many children, instant gratification, these happen even in Africa

Lewis said these are 'common adaptations to common problems', they're adaptations to poverty that become self-perpetuating

I call that lack of morals

I said in my argument that I think it is much worse there (in America) because that group of Africans has little actual culture of their own

but its probably worse in Africa

the problems they have here are held barely in check by abortion clinics, welfare, ect.

🤷 Lewis did not study poor households in Africa, he studied poor families in the USA (Largely 'urban') India and Mexico

But as I said, he did say that the same traits were found to some degree across all those areas because he believed them to be common 'solutions' to common problems

Oh, sorry the word is adaptations not solutions

Where I live the urban black community has the same problems as well, except instead of welfare they are held in check by gang leaders helping out their communities in exchange for loyalty and support

gang nationalism

Live by tha hood u dye foh dah hood

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I still don't buy it

Blacks act violently everywhere they go, they have lower than average iq everywhere they go

we can keep saying its cause they're poor

but they're poor everywhere they go

the same problems always follow them

if its not genetic it may as well be, but I'm certain its just genetically inherent

> adaptations to poverty
> says he sees the same problems wherever they go
> still 'doesn't buy it'