have

In fact, if the people can't decide for themselves, they cannot carry out societal duty

Duty consists in agency

and cannot be otherwise

Not really

if you do not have agency, you are amoral

Why do you care about being amoral?

but this is true.. most people just can't create values for themselves, one person simply doesn't have the time or energy or interest to go into the depths of these things.

Duty does not really require you to have agency

its just doing what you're told

Only by partaking in the societal collective decision-making can people actually carry out a duty towards society, and we should urge people to better their knowledge about the world, how it works, etc. Currently we *really really do not*

most people like to be told the ways to be moral, so they can follow them with a predictable outcome being living a good righteous fulfilling life.

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That's empty and hollow and we should not encourage it

we're not all made to be decision makers

"Do what you are told"

is not a good way to live your life

Plenty of people are fine with it

yes and that's a flaw

there needs to be a place in our society for that kind of cognition as well

Its not a good way for you, its good for others

How is it a flaw

oh yeah, you will decide what's a flaw in how we have evolved 😂

Btw everyone makes decisions on a daily basis, only the comatose make none

There needs to be worker bees

its a complete dishonest non-point to claim this cannot extend to whole of society

we aren't bees @Huff

wrong species

or idk maybe you are

Nah nigga I'm a crocodile

```Btw everyone makes decisions on a daily basis, only the comatose make none```

some people need guidance, when you destroy all structures of authority it's like you brought someone out for a ride in the middle of the ocean, dropped them there and told them.. there you go.. you are free to swim in any direction you choose. @Xinyue

There needs to be workers who form the status quo in a civilization

Who spoke anything about destroying all structures of authority? Pretty sure I never called for that @Gerçek

Unending skepticism and criticism has that effect regardless of whether you are correct about anything or not.

In the Soviet model, for example, there is a stratum for politically active people - the Party. But should the ruling members be elected? Yes, sure. Should there be a class of independent non-party candidates? Yes, sure. USSR observed both.

I'm right, there are many people fine with doing what they are told and that is not a flaw, that's just their role

It's just how it works

I don't think it is our place to say how we've evolved is a flaw.

I don't think any of the various temperaments or *sub species* we see in humans is a flaw

it all has it's place and a good society accommodates that

Role? Assigned by who? @Huff

God