Like you can have this "hurr durr only existing thing is change hurr durr" le big think routine, whatever, its nothing new - Buddhists conceived of it 2,500 years ago. Its not avant garde, its not special in any way. It doesn't actually say anything on its own.

you seem so afraid of the concept of something surpassing humans today.

Its not about surpassing, its about the dystopian possibilities that come with it. Including for the AIs themselves, should they be created. Abominable states of being that are literal forms of hell. Something that should dissuade anyone foolish enough to pursue this technology without any reservations.

dystopia is as unreachable as utopia.

I don't think you've thought through the implications. Common trait among the transhumanists.

my point is we cant do anything else!

how can you STOP people from making progress?

you haven't even substantiated how we *must* get there. Maybe you read too much Nick Bostrom or something idk

we cant slow down the march of time. all we can do is stand ready to face it.

its not about slowing it down.

its about being prepared.

we arent anywhere close to a general intelligence, let alone a singularity, let alone a self-replicating singularity.

we have time.

have you even quantified and accounted for the *conditions that shape that onwards march?* I mean we literally don't know. We have lots of different theories and some of them posit totally different outcomes, some people say machines will assimilate humans, others say humans will assimilate machines instead. All top figure in their fields - mathematics, physics, computer sciences, neuroscience, etc.

thats because you are thinking to far ahead, and getting overwhelmed by it.

Like I'm not at all sure that the HYPE!!11!1! crowd and the OHMYGOD crowd of doom and gloom have any idea where this is *actually* going to go and that's because we don't actually as a species *know.* Lots of people are profiting from both camps though.

machines wont assimilate humanity, nor will they replace them.


humanity did not replace nature when we became the smartest monkeus on the playground.

There's also strong argument against the superintelligence in that we should see it already in space if it were to happen. We'd see traces of it. Fermi's Paradox indicates that something is badly off base here, its one of the reasons I really don't think its gonna go as Bostrom & Kurzweil Gang think its gonna go down

>fermis paradox

uuuugghhh this shit again

fermis paradox doesnt exist.

it does exist actually, it really does. Not for organic life, no it doesn't. You know, the regular life at our level and below. For the superintelligent kind of "life"? That could seed out entire galaxies and turn stars into dyson spheres etc and harness entire galaxies for its own power? Yeah, for that kind of life the paradox is fucking huge problem

Mate

1. dysonspheres are a retarded concept.

if anything we would have dyson swarms

which would probably not come anywhere near to BLOTTING OUT STARS

secondly

2. in case you havent noticed, EARTH, and earthlike planets,

are pretty damn rare

implying it must have Earthlike conditions. I'm not at all sure

3. FTL probably doesnt exist.

THAT ALONE limites the scope and speed by which such an incomprehensably powerful alien species could spread out in the galaxy.

if aliens exist we have no way of knowing.

unless they are right next door.

could easily develop in some ocean moons of gas giants where the tidal forces cause sufficient amount of volcanic activity to create conditions for life in the bottom layers - similar to how life might've started originally anyway here on Earth, but for different reasons and in different planetary context

on 3 we agree

We dont know enough about the devlopment of life to even approach questions like “why are we the only ones we can see.”

as far as we might be aware that could be totally normal because SUPRISE! life is pretty fucking rare.

theres also the anthropromorphic principle.

its not like theres a bunch of souls waiting out somewhere, waiting to pop into existence and only an infinitecimal ammount of them get to exist in this universe.

we exist. we perceive the universe because thats just what we are.

we are life, and it makes sense that we, as life, would perceive in a universe where life happens to exist.

it doesnt matter how fuck-off levels of rare it is.

the fermi paradox says nothing.

> if aliens exist we have no way of knowing

well, I didn't say *aliens* in the regular sense don't exist. I think its likely they do, even in probably our Orion arm of the galaxy. Probably rather primitive life, certainly below hominids most likely, but still.

It does pose a problem for super-intelligent forms of life, because it might be indeed possible for them to spread at a great rate over millions upon millions upon millions of years and that in the entire history of our 3 closest galaxies we haven't seen signs of *even one* - that's a bit concerning. The age of our local galaxies is such that realistically you kind of would think that you would see something.

Eh. not really.

Do go on