Message from @CrowGoCaw

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2019-01-02 13:13:43 UTC  

God is very forgiving and accounts for this

2019-01-02 13:14:29 UTC  

Of course we can be tempted, but denying the existence of free will leads to the justification of sin. After all, it wasn’t really your fault

2019-01-02 13:14:56 UTC  

No it doesn't

2019-01-02 13:15:35 UTC  

The virgin pre-determinist vs the chad Free Will Christian

2019-01-02 13:16:00 UTC  

You can be partial and not free but still fail

2019-01-02 13:16:31 UTC  

Failure implies you had the free choice to succeed

2019-01-02 13:16:41 UTC  

No it doesn't

2019-01-02 13:16:53 UTC  

Failure implies you didn't succeed at the goal

2019-01-02 13:17:16 UTC  

If you couldn’t possibly have succeeded, how can you be blamed for failing?

2019-01-02 13:17:19 UTC  

If you deny free will this failure was pre-determined.

2019-01-02 13:17:34 UTC  

Again, you can still have choice even if its not absolutely free

2019-01-02 13:17:56 UTC  

Either you have a free choice or the choice isn’t yours

2019-01-02 13:18:08 UTC  

Are you choosing to make these arguments?

2019-01-02 13:18:38 UTC  

You can't exactly be a centrist on this issue.

2019-01-02 13:19:40 UTC  

Quit with the incorrect dichotomy, there are levels of freedom and lack thereof. if humans were absolutely free in their will humans could have perfect knowledge and achieve omniscience their will unbounded by their body and by the laws of reality.

2019-01-02 13:19:55 UTC  

Which makes no sense

2019-01-02 13:22:05 UTC  

Humans have free will inasmuch as they can choose to do things humanely possible. Free choice doesn’t imply that you can do something that violates the capabilities of human nature. Free will doesn’t imply unlimited ability. What a bizarre non sequiter. Is that really the best you’ve got?

2019-01-02 13:23:13 UTC  

Do you know what free means?

2019-01-02 13:23:27 UTC  

Unobstructed, Unimpeded, Not Restrained

2019-01-02 13:23:55 UTC  

If you truly had "Free" will you could do anything you felt like unimpeded

2019-01-02 13:24:03 UTC  

But you can't and don't

2019-01-02 13:24:18 UTC  

Humans don't have free will and thank god they don't

2019-01-02 13:24:19 UTC  

Free in this context means free to choose what your nature allows, not free to choose things which are impossible to do. Literally no proponent of free will claims this. This is so dumb

2019-01-02 13:24:39 UTC  

So free except not absolutely free but at that point why even call it free

2019-01-02 13:25:12 UTC  

>what your nature allows

2019-01-02 13:25:15 UTC  

That isn't free

2019-01-02 13:25:15 UTC  

Free means free to do the things our nature allows, nobody would espouse your weird definition

2019-01-02 13:25:48 UTC  

Thats will bound by your nature which is what humans have, not free will

2019-01-02 13:26:08 UTC  

Well, you just object to the terminology then. No proponent of free will would define it as you do

2019-01-02 13:26:38 UTC  

Does God have free will?

2019-01-02 13:26:50 UTC  

God definitely does have free will

2019-01-02 13:27:10 UTC  

If he is absolute, all knowing and all powerful if his will was restricted he couldn't be any of those things

2019-01-02 13:27:17 UTC  

So does He have the free will to create a rock so large he himself could not lift it?

2019-01-02 13:27:57 UTC  

Nice paradox, thats assuming their is a realm of height weight and diameter beyond god's jurisdiction

2019-01-02 13:28:06 UTC  

Which, there isn't

2019-01-02 13:28:20 UTC  

A loaded question

2019-01-02 13:28:24 UTC  

That’s my point, he is limited by His nature, as we are

2019-01-02 13:29:42 UTC  

God isn't limited he is all powerful and all knowing, he can't create something bigger than him because there is nothing bigger its literally a foreign concept its Infinity + 1 a completely redundant idea

2019-01-02 13:30:02 UTC  

If there is something greater than infinity then it isn't infinity

2019-01-02 13:30:50 UTC  

You're still thinking in a secular mindset, that laws of science or our concept of limits would even apply to God

2019-01-02 13:32:58 UTC  

I know that there’s nothing more powerful than God, which is precisely *why* He cannot create such a powerful object. Hence He is limited by the laws of logic. Believing otherwise leads to bizarre paradoxes