Message from @CrowGoCaw
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God is very forgiving and accounts for this
Of course we can be tempted, but denying the existence of free will leads to the justification of sin. After all, it wasn’t really your fault
No it doesn't
The virgin pre-determinist vs the chad Free Will Christian
You can be partial and not free but still fail
Failure implies you had the free choice to succeed
No it doesn't
Failure implies you didn't succeed at the goal
If you couldn’t possibly have succeeded, how can you be blamed for failing?
If you deny free will this failure was pre-determined.
Again, you can still have choice even if its not absolutely free
Either you have a free choice or the choice isn’t yours
Are you choosing to make these arguments?
You can't exactly be a centrist on this issue.
Quit with the incorrect dichotomy, there are levels of freedom and lack thereof. if humans were absolutely free in their will humans could have perfect knowledge and achieve omniscience their will unbounded by their body and by the laws of reality.
Which makes no sense
Humans have free will inasmuch as they can choose to do things humanely possible. Free choice doesn’t imply that you can do something that violates the capabilities of human nature. Free will doesn’t imply unlimited ability. What a bizarre non sequiter. Is that really the best you’ve got?
Do you know what free means?
Unobstructed, Unimpeded, Not Restrained
If you truly had "Free" will you could do anything you felt like unimpeded
Humans don't have free will and thank god they don't
Free in this context means free to choose what your nature allows, not free to choose things which are impossible to do. Literally no proponent of free will claims this. This is so dumb
So free except not absolutely free but at that point why even call it free
>what your nature allows
That isn't free
Free means free to do the things our nature allows, nobody would espouse your weird definition
Thats will bound by your nature which is what humans have, not free will
Well, you just object to the terminology then. No proponent of free will would define it as you do
Does God have free will?
God definitely does have free will
If he is absolute, all knowing and all powerful if his will was restricted he couldn't be any of those things
So does He have the free will to create a rock so large he himself could not lift it?
Nice paradox, thats assuming their is a realm of height weight and diameter beyond god's jurisdiction
Which, there isn't
A loaded question
That’s my point, he is limited by His nature, as we are
God isn't limited he is all powerful and all knowing, he can't create something bigger than him because there is nothing bigger its literally a foreign concept its Infinity + 1 a completely redundant idea
If there is something greater than infinity then it isn't infinity
You're still thinking in a secular mindset, that laws of science or our concept of limits would even apply to God
I know that there’s nothing more powerful than God, which is precisely *why* He cannot create such a powerful object. Hence He is limited by the laws of logic. Believing otherwise leads to bizarre paradoxes