free will exist, but is it a moral thing?

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Ananaz

Is that how they make cheeseburgers in turkey ? @Gerçek

Free Will is the gayest thing imaginable and is prime secular arrogance

it is the source of hedonism

It treats humans like these incorporeal walking ideas with no bearing of the physical world influencing their mind

So are you a Calvinist?

No, humans have will its just not entirely free

Its why they can be tempted and influenced

God is very forgiving and accounts for this

Of course we can be tempted, but denying the existence of free will leads to the justification of sin. After all, it wasn’t really your fault

No it doesn't

The virgin pre-determinist vs the chad Free Will Christian

You can be partial and not free but still fail

Failure implies you had the free choice to succeed

No it doesn't

Failure implies you didn't succeed at the goal

If you couldn’t possibly have succeeded, how can you be blamed for failing?

If you deny free will this failure was pre-determined.

Again, you can still have choice even if its not absolutely free

Either you have a free choice or the choice isn’t yours

Are you choosing to make these arguments?

You can't exactly be a centrist on this issue.

Quit with the incorrect dichotomy, there are levels of freedom and lack thereof. if humans were absolutely free in their will humans could have perfect knowledge and achieve omniscience their will unbounded by their body and by the laws of reality.

Which makes no sense

Humans have free will inasmuch as they can choose to do things humanely possible. Free choice doesn’t imply that you can do something that violates the capabilities of human nature. Free will doesn’t imply unlimited ability. What a bizarre non sequiter. Is that really the best you’ve got?

Do you know what free means?

Unobstructed, Unimpeded, Not Restrained

If you truly had "Free" will you could do anything you felt like unimpeded

But you can't and don't

Humans don't have free will and thank god they don't

Free in this context means free to choose what your nature allows, not free to choose things which are impossible to do. Literally no proponent of free will claims this. This is so dumb

So free except not absolutely free but at that point why even call it free

>what your nature allows

That isn't free

Free means free to do the things our nature allows, nobody would espouse your weird definition

Thats will bound by your nature which is what humans have, not free will