Message from @CrowGoCaw

Discord ID: 530014425911132170


2019-01-02 13:19:40 UTC  

Quit with the incorrect dichotomy, there are levels of freedom and lack thereof. if humans were absolutely free in their will humans could have perfect knowledge and achieve omniscience their will unbounded by their body and by the laws of reality.

2019-01-02 13:19:55 UTC  

Which makes no sense

2019-01-02 13:22:05 UTC  

Humans have free will inasmuch as they can choose to do things humanely possible. Free choice doesn’t imply that you can do something that violates the capabilities of human nature. Free will doesn’t imply unlimited ability. What a bizarre non sequiter. Is that really the best you’ve got?

2019-01-02 13:23:13 UTC  

Do you know what free means?

2019-01-02 13:23:27 UTC  

Unobstructed, Unimpeded, Not Restrained

2019-01-02 13:23:55 UTC  

If you truly had "Free" will you could do anything you felt like unimpeded

2019-01-02 13:24:03 UTC  

But you can't and don't

2019-01-02 13:24:18 UTC  

Humans don't have free will and thank god they don't

2019-01-02 13:24:19 UTC  

Free in this context means free to choose what your nature allows, not free to choose things which are impossible to do. Literally no proponent of free will claims this. This is so dumb

2019-01-02 13:24:39 UTC  

So free except not absolutely free but at that point why even call it free

2019-01-02 13:25:12 UTC  

>what your nature allows

2019-01-02 13:25:15 UTC  

That isn't free

2019-01-02 13:25:15 UTC  

Free means free to do the things our nature allows, nobody would espouse your weird definition

2019-01-02 13:25:48 UTC  

Thats will bound by your nature which is what humans have, not free will

2019-01-02 13:26:08 UTC  

Well, you just object to the terminology then. No proponent of free will would define it as you do

2019-01-02 13:26:38 UTC  

Does God have free will?

2019-01-02 13:26:50 UTC  

God definitely does have free will

2019-01-02 13:27:10 UTC  

If he is absolute, all knowing and all powerful if his will was restricted he couldn't be any of those things

2019-01-02 13:27:17 UTC  

So does He have the free will to create a rock so large he himself could not lift it?

2019-01-02 13:27:57 UTC  

Nice paradox, thats assuming their is a realm of height weight and diameter beyond god's jurisdiction

2019-01-02 13:28:06 UTC  

Which, there isn't

2019-01-02 13:28:20 UTC  

A loaded question

2019-01-02 13:28:24 UTC  

That’s my point, he is limited by His nature, as we are

2019-01-02 13:29:42 UTC  

God isn't limited he is all powerful and all knowing, he can't create something bigger than him because there is nothing bigger its literally a foreign concept its Infinity + 1 a completely redundant idea

2019-01-02 13:30:02 UTC  

If there is something greater than infinity then it isn't infinity

2019-01-02 13:30:50 UTC  

You're still thinking in a secular mindset, that laws of science or our concept of limits would even apply to God

2019-01-02 13:32:58 UTC  

I know that there’s nothing more powerful than God, which is precisely *why* He cannot create such a powerful object. Hence He is limited by the laws of logic. Believing otherwise leads to bizarre paradoxes

2019-01-02 13:34:23 UTC  

No he isn't limited you're still thinking in a secular manner, God is mysterious and trying to box him in with logic is complete human arrogance

2019-01-02 13:35:13 UTC  

2019-01-02 13:35:17 UTC  

Humans can't fully comprehend God

2019-01-02 13:35:54 UTC  

Attempting to do so is brave but also foolish and pointless

2019-01-02 13:36:13 UTC  

We can’t comprehend His divine nature or essence, but we can describe His divine energies inasmuch as they interact with the world

2019-01-02 13:37:02 UTC  

>rejecting divine simplicity

oh ye right you're orthodox

2019-01-02 13:37:25 UTC  

Divine simplicity leads inevitably to Arianism

2019-01-02 13:37:47 UTC  

Or absolute divine simplicity, I should say

2019-01-02 13:38:07 UTC  

Which is why Origen ended up espousing such views

2019-01-02 13:38:08 UTC  

Imagine being a Cucktolic and even daring to denigrate Real Christianity.

2019-01-02 13:38:55 UTC  

Denmark does not exist

2019-01-02 13:39:03 UTC  

Woke

2019-01-02 13:39:08 UTC  

Yes.

2019-01-02 13:39:35 UTC  

Denmark is just NORWAY disguises.