I told a room full of CJ people to get bent and that that violates civil rights

@RoflTank its unconstitutional as fuck

Like you cannot be legally charged or anything without being present in said court to argue your side.

Otherwise it's absolutely illegal

They need to have legally gathered evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt the need of the court to issue a search and seizure order to the police, and in order to do that you should need to be present to defend yourself and provide reasonable doubt.

Otherwise is it actually a legally valid court? I think not.

They can gather evidence and bring it before a judge, and the judge can serve a warrant without your knowledge

This is no warrant service

All I know is they’re gonna have to Dallas bomb robot us

@RoflTank please have that discussion with law enforcement with a gun pointed your way.

The cops can do whatever the fuck they want

Whether what they do holds up in court later is a completely different story.

And who knows what will happen to your property while it's in lockup

Y'know, that's why you don't open the door for police until they state their intentions

You know I did that once

Turns out they were lookin. For the previous occupants of the home

And if they don't leave when told to return with a valid court order, you can defend yourself and your property against illegal search and seizure.

You are legally allowed to fire on police under certain circumstances? Are you sure

Man, you act like it’s so simple

This shit doesn’t always happen when you’re at your house

What do they do if I have a safe? To they take the safe or break into it?

And if you decide to shoot at the cops, you can rest assured that there will be plenty more there at the speed of motorola

@Nic386 they call a locksmith to open the safe. I don’t think you can be compelled to open it.

Not unless they have a court order yeah

Also, you guys forget this whole probable cause thing

Which is infinitely flexible in law enforcement’s favor

Are they constituting a red flag report as probable cause?

🤔 I wonder.

I’d say yes.

But I haven’t read the docs

Is that a state or federal level law?

The red flag stuff is state level

Unless there is something new I don’t know about

I assume people are trying to push it in every state tho

This is why state level gun rights discussions are more important than federal right now.

(The discussion that led to all of this) was specifically about Maryland, which is a liberal enclave

Almost 50% went to Abrams here, I'm worried that they might have the numbers to start pushing things like that in GA

Then get involved in local gun rights groups in your state

It doesn’t take much.

I'll find some

It is probable cause under red flag laws