but it's not

and if it was, wouldn't that just mean the field itself would become that much larger

and like i said earlier (which you agreed on is something which exists) - most of those non native born workers are displacing native born workers from the workforce since they are able to outcompete them artificially

but my argument would be, why are they being displaced (if they are)

i.e if they were removed from the workforce, the previously displaced workers would likely fill up the remainder needed after they were removed

not because immigrants are coming in and stealing those jobs, but because business owners and corporations are valuing slave-labor wages over actual job wages

although construction is a bad example of that

you make like 20 bucks an hour just sweeping floors in construction

im assuming that's legal work ofc

yeah

that's just how construction is

i mean, you get paid cash, so maybe it's not above board

ye i see

but i'm pretty sure it is?

i think the difference is, you blame the immigrants for that disparity, i blame the businesses

i think there's some validity behind blaming businesses ofc

we've spent the last 50 years gutting all regulations in this country

but there's still a huge deal of responsibility among the immigrants who know exactly what they are doing

but in a place like america, that should mean that the job market just grows with it

and studies do show that immigration is a net benefit to our economy

Here's the thing you don't seem to understand i wouldn't blame you for assuming

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/immigrants-contribute-greatly-to-us-economy-despite-administrations

there, i linked a study

it even has a thumbnail picture of a brown person working

it gives us cheap tomatoes, big deal

that's my point though

fuck cheap tomatoes

we only need cheap tomatoes because we have a non-existent safety net for our citizenry

what matters to most of us isn't actual GDP growth or the bloating of massive businesses, we only rlly care if the economy is afloat and whether people can provide for their families

it's like how Mcdonald's could pay everyone 15 dollar minimum wage, and it would raise the price of their food like... 2 cents

we have to force them to do shit like that

i'd take a downscaled GDP for a self sufficient economy where someone can provide for a family of 4+ with just 1 working family memeber

any day of the week

also fuck the GDP

and fuck the stock market lol

minimum wage def needs to be raised

that doesnt really represent the People in the way it's portrayed as

Also i read through the study and i don't dispute any of the data but it ties into what i said earlier

most of these jobs can be done by the native populus

doing the things we need to do to actually help our people, including immigrants, would probably lower GDP and stock prices

but, on the flipside, 500K people wouldn't be homeless