Message from @somniostatic
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but, instinctively, i don't agree with it because all i've ever seen about this issue, on the side you're arguing for, comes from a place of xenophobia and authoritarianism
any study i link is going to be dismissed
both of those statements are entirely built on assumptions which contradict what i've already told you
i'm more here to... see the way you formulate arguments and see what kinds of proofs you use
i gave you proof from an economic journal
I gave you an argument based on actual reason with application to the real world
all that says is that most fields are not majority-immigrant though
what more could you possibly want from me or anyone else here
yes it shows that we have minimal economic dependence on immigrants
i mean that study is totally irrelevant to me, unless i said, "immigrants do jobs americans won't do"
and that you could probably remove all immigrants from the workforce and there would be little to no differenc e
i wouldn't say minimal
i mean, 49%, 46%, 36%, 34%, 35%, 27% of job fields is still a massive number
gay semantics again
it's a massive number in very small fields yes
but in the overarching economy it is next to nothing
35% of construction workers are not native-born
that is a gigantic part of our economy
it's just not a majority
but it's not
and if it was, wouldn't that just mean the field itself would become that much larger
and like i said earlier (which you agreed on is something which exists) - most of those non native born workers are displacing native born workers from the workforce since they are able to outcompete them artificially
but my argument would be, why are they being displaced (if they are)
i.e if they were removed from the workforce, the previously displaced workers would likely fill up the remainder needed after they were removed
not because immigrants are coming in and stealing those jobs, but because business owners and corporations are valuing slave-labor wages over actual job wages
although construction is a bad example of that
you make like 20 bucks an hour just sweeping floors in construction
im assuming that's legal work ofc
yeah
that's just how construction is
i mean, you get paid cash, so maybe it's not above board
ye i see
but i'm pretty sure it is?
i think the difference is, you blame the immigrants for that disparity, i blame the businesses
i think there's some validity behind blaming businesses ofc
we've spent the last 50 years gutting all regulations in this country
but there's still a huge deal of responsibility among the immigrants who know exactly what they are doing
but in a place like america, that should mean that the job market just grows with it
and studies do show that immigration is a net benefit to our economy