socialist produce nothing

so workers are nonproducers?

workers toiling in sweatshops are nonproducers?

heard of the concept of surplus value?

and wheres the definition of socialism?

yea they produce and r exploited by these socilistic countries

so workers are exploited by socialists?

mate, at this point I don't even know what to say.

capitalism builds wealth based off the labour of the workers.

under capitalism your hired for your mere ability to work, not the actual labour you expend and the socially productive hours spent making said goods.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

I'm not interested to hear the marriam-webster definition, I'm interested in hearing ***your*** explanation.

I want to know what ***you*** think is the definition of socialism, not some dictionary.

socialist think the state should run everything, and the state should take from producers and give it to the people who don't produce anything

wrong.

socialism is when the workers democratically own the means of production.

the state "running everything" is a fallacy.

by the way, what country r u from?

where did you get that assumption that socialism depends on the state running it?

I'm from Singapore, but that's irrelevant to the conversation.

because that is what socialists do

and no, we despise non-productive workers as much as capitalism.

the state "running everything" is state capitalism, not socialism.

i feel sorry for u having to live in a shithole

Singapore is a shit hole?

do you even know where Singapore is, or how successfull we have been?

it's clear that you are not informed on such topics

cognitive dissonance thrives in today's society.

you have made no arguments, your points were just circular reasoning.

Singapore is a muslim shithole

Muslim?

more than 80% of our population is Chinese.

and how is that working for u

fine.

our capitalism is upheld by morality and work ethics.

the corporations play no part in our government.

it isn't a corporatocracy unlike some states.

it was imperialism that caused the 2014 refugee crisis and created the entire problem.

when you engaged in imperialism against Iraq and Libya, most of the politicians of these former governments created ISIS when their countries fell apart.

and led to instability in the middle east.

Look it up. A good portion of ISIS members are ba'athists ans gaddafists.