Message from @Indigo
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okay, I'll ask...
what did you choke on when you read the description??? 😲
I try to avoid ideology. If forced to classify I'd say antideutsche communist. But I focus much more on critical theory than on orthodox marxism
what do you mean by "Antideutsche"?
1. antideutsche is a particular brand of antifascism that began in germany, mostly in response to reunification and in contrast to anti-imp movements of the late 20th century.
2. sorry to admit, didn't actually choke :c
interesting. are you more of a "statist" communist or lean more on the libertarian side?
libertarian 'left' is an oxymoron
perhaps, im still interested
I'm against authoritarianism. The question of the state is rather complex and historical.
liberatarian originated in the left.
doesn't make it right
anarchism is also an explicitly left movement.
how can a society be anarchist if there's an enforced restricted economy?
I think that's a bit of a loaded question, because you've already (falsely) defined "left" within it.
most socialists are focused on the goal of redistributing the means of production and commonly owned means of production
its a quite restricted economy compared to others
wouldnt the needed enforcement of that require a state?
I will also say that anarchism is focused on the destruction of hierarchies. This includes all hierarchies, not just economic hierarchy. As such, any self-proclaimed anarchism that fails to meet such criterion is ignoring the political project of anarchism.
anarchy as a term simply means the lack of authority and/or laws or rules
Economic hierarchy including but not limited to: private ownership of capital, waged labor, exploitation, etc.
the less rules you have, the more anarchy you have
hierarchy exists everywhere
Wikipedia is an incomplete assessment, but it's even written there into the first sentence.
in all animals
Hierarchies are fairly natural. Denying them tends to mean informal hierarchies of social status spring up.
it's the new anti science from anarchist kiddies on the left
the abolishment of all hierarchy is utopian, yes
We're not really discussing hierarchy rn. Just clarifying the definition of anarchism.
If you would rather discuss that topic, we can try.
the wikipedia mentions "voluntary institutions". how can socialism be voluntary? if it's voluntary, it means you can opt out?
that itself is needing a hierarchy to enforce anti hierarchy
It would be prudent to first start with an evaluation of neo-positivist objectifications of "natural law" and how they reproduce the given state of affairs, disguising social opposition as immutable and creating a one-dimensional system of thought and confirmation of thought.
capitalism is a voluntary institution
you can be a fucking commie or a anarchist or an anarcho syndicalist if you like
Can we kinda stick to a more coherent conversation? It's very difficult to keep up with 2+ people spewing their thoughts without any structure. It's not a constructive form of communication.
you can start with indigo
i need to take a shower
Okay, then indigo, can you respond to my lead in?
if you're interested in discussing hierarchy and "naturalness"
you can make a company with whatever system you like, whether it be anarcho syndicalist or communist in a capitalism.
The opposite is not true in those leftist utopias.