Message from @Indigo
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Only one employer
You didn't sell your work to the government. You sold it to your factory or your hospital or your regional planner.
On a down at the ground level that's how it worked.
The institutions even competed with each other. Some jobs were nicer than others. Some unions were better than others.
People poached workers from each other. Seriously man. I don't know where you're getting all this.
The employer was basically the government in the centralized system.
Do you agree that, there will always be much higher wages in a system with higher competition for your labour
so by design, wages would be low in a communist country. where competition is artificially hampered
The ceiling is higher under capitalism.
Not my point Indigo.
could the different unions offer different wages in the USSR
The wall of text was that everyone was starving and only motivated to work by the threat of prison. Which is divorced from reality.
The more limited the competition for labour is in a country.. the more starving will the people be
it's will just be marginally better in a decentralized commumist state
Unions could offer different bonuses and premium pay.
It's not a direct comparison between a hypothetical capitalist alt USSR where everything went great and historical USSR. It's just a reminder that life wasn't some caricature and you can point out the faults of the system without resorting to fiction.
my point is that, a centralized communist system will practically be slavery, a decentralized communist one marginally better.
Being free to starve isn't freedom. But this is probably irreconcilable positions between us.
Most capitalist-bound countries are closer to starving than to USA standards.
It's my point exactly, that being the only other choice being to starve is not freedom
Starvation is pretty unusual in capitalist countries
There's enough surplus that you can almost always get food, even if you have no income
Starvation is normal in CAR.
Technology from capitalist societies has established a large surplus
Car?
You don't get to disavow capitalist developing states.
Every African bunghole is capitalist today.
a lot are socialist like Zimbabwe
Socialist utopias
That's the only one and it's shit.
Also Maoist.
They are still reeling from the effects of socialism.
There were more but USSR went bankrupt and couldn't pay them no more.
There a lots of others like Algeria
Lol no you don't get to day that.
Nobody gets to be reeling from socialism any more than one gets to reel from evil whitey colonizer.
Ethiopia
Apparently the reeling is so stronk you can be reeling for decades.
they can improve. They themselves are the hindrances.
look at south korea