Message from @Indigo

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2020-01-28 23:12:27 UTC  

Only one employer

2020-01-28 23:13:05 UTC  

You didn't sell your work to the government. You sold it to your factory or your hospital or your regional planner.

2020-01-28 23:13:54 UTC  

On a down at the ground level that's how it worked.

2020-01-28 23:14:56 UTC  

The institutions even competed with each other. Some jobs were nicer than others. Some unions were better than others.

2020-01-28 23:15:40 UTC  

People poached workers from each other. Seriously man. I don't know where you're getting all this.

2020-01-28 23:17:02 UTC  

The employer was basically the government in the centralized system.

2020-01-28 23:17:53 UTC  

Do you agree that, there will always be much higher wages in a system with higher competition for your labour

2020-01-28 23:19:13 UTC  

so by design, wages would be low in a communist country. where competition is artificially hampered

2020-01-28 23:19:27 UTC  

The ceiling is higher under capitalism.

2020-01-28 23:19:42 UTC  

Not my point Indigo.

2020-01-28 23:20:01 UTC  

could the different unions offer different wages in the USSR

2020-01-28 23:20:25 UTC  

The wall of text was that everyone was starving and only motivated to work by the threat of prison. Which is divorced from reality.

2020-01-28 23:21:52 UTC  

The more limited the competition for labour is in a country.. the more starving will the people be

2020-01-28 23:22:50 UTC  

it's will just be marginally better in a decentralized commumist state

2020-01-28 23:23:29 UTC  

Unions could offer different bonuses and premium pay.

2020-01-28 23:24:45 UTC  

It's not a direct comparison between a hypothetical capitalist alt USSR where everything went great and historical USSR. It's just a reminder that life wasn't some caricature and you can point out the faults of the system without resorting to fiction.

2020-01-28 23:28:01 UTC  

my point is that, a centralized communist system will practically be slavery, a decentralized communist one marginally better.

2020-01-28 23:28:38 UTC  

Being free to starve isn't freedom. But this is probably irreconcilable positions between us.

2020-01-28 23:29:36 UTC  

Most capitalist-bound countries are closer to starving than to USA standards.

2020-01-28 23:29:38 UTC  

It's my point exactly, that being the only other choice being to starve is not freedom

2020-01-28 23:30:16 UTC  

you get very limited choices in communism

2020-01-28 23:30:29 UTC  

Starvation is pretty unusual in capitalist countries

2020-01-28 23:30:46 UTC  

There's enough surplus that you can almost always get food, even if you have no income

2020-01-28 23:31:22 UTC  

Starvation is normal in CAR.

2020-01-28 23:31:23 UTC  

Technology from capitalist societies has established a large surplus

2020-01-28 23:31:32 UTC  

Car?

2020-01-28 23:31:48 UTC  

You don't get to disavow capitalist developing states.

2020-01-28 23:32:04 UTC  

Every African bunghole is capitalist today.

2020-01-28 23:32:16 UTC  

a lot are socialist like Zimbabwe

2020-01-28 23:32:28 UTC  

Socialist utopias

2020-01-28 23:32:44 UTC  

That's the only one and it's shit.

2020-01-28 23:32:56 UTC  

Also Maoist.

2020-01-28 23:33:47 UTC  

They are still reeling from the effects of socialism.

2020-01-28 23:34:06 UTC  

There were more but USSR went bankrupt and couldn't pay them no more.

2020-01-28 23:34:12 UTC  

There a lots of others like Algeria

2020-01-28 23:34:18 UTC  

Lol no you don't get to day that.

2020-01-28 23:34:53 UTC  

Nobody gets to be reeling from socialism any more than one gets to reel from evil whitey colonizer.

2020-01-28 23:35:41 UTC  

Ethiopia

2020-01-28 23:35:52 UTC  

Apparently the reeling is so stronk you can be reeling for decades.

2020-01-28 23:35:59 UTC  

they can improve. They themselves are the hindrances.

2020-01-28 23:36:06 UTC  

look at south korea