Being free to starve isn't freedom. But this is probably irreconcilable positions between us.

Most capitalist-bound countries are closer to starving than to USA standards.

It's my point exactly, that being the only other choice being to starve is not freedom

you get very limited choices in communism

Starvation is pretty unusual in capitalist countries

There's enough surplus that you can almost always get food, even if you have no income

Starvation is normal in CAR.

Technology from capitalist societies has established a large surplus

Car?

You don't get to disavow capitalist developing states.

Every African bunghole is capitalist today.

a lot are socialist like Zimbabwe

Socialist utopias

That's the only one and it's shit.

Also Maoist.

They are still reeling from the effects of socialism.

There were more but USSR went bankrupt and couldn't pay them no more.

There a lots of others like Algeria

Lol no you don't get to day that.

Nobody gets to be reeling from socialism any more than one gets to reel from evil whitey colonizer.

Ethiopia

Apparently the reeling is so stronk you can be reeling for decades.

they can improve. They themselves are the hindrances.

look at south korea

Close to a century in some cases.

they were poorer than most african countries

Yes. There are success stories.

Not arguing the general idea.

Chile was the poorest country in south america

and Venezuela was the richest

When?

Socialism destroyed much of Africa

40 years ago

Angola , Benin,Ethiopia, Ghana, Guinea, Mali, Mozambique,, Tanzania, and Zambia, Zimbabwe and others

also, socialism destroyed south america

They bought into it because they felt capitalism was colonialism

Then socialism prevented their economies from advancing

....so what happened since then?

present day

Okay this is just excuses and special pleading.

Successful countries are rare. Successful countries can build successful capitalisms.