I'm talking about your wise guy 109 or spaceship Spitnig that has no more than 1 second of ToT (Time on target) and your bomber just falls apart like Papier-mâché

Yeah no

A lone bomber vs a german fighter has no chance

or any fighter tbh

Extremely situational

From all reports on the Axis and Allies side it is extremely situational my guy

Those bombers are only tough against flak, fighter fire will easily rip apart an aircraft. The problem is actually aiming and scoring a hit

That's just not true though

A big target with no cover by itself is an easy kill for any fighter

Some of the largest batches of info of German Fighters vs B-17s is from Operation Husky

The allied invasion of Sicily

In that theatre, Mid -1943 That was really the peak of both the Allies and Axis side with overall performance

@RoflTank You know more about this

Time and time again you saw where yeah, in some situations there would be a German fighter that gets the hits it needs to kill the B-17, in other situations the B-17 would take what it had to give and more, while still making it home. The majority of B-17s lost in Husky was due to the overwhelming amount of Flak placed in key areas of the Island

It depends if the gunners get a licks shot

And that's the fucking B-17

A good hit by a .50 to the pilot or engine could force the attacking fighter to break off or kill it outright

The B-17 was an outdated heavy bomber (designed in 1936), going slow enough for a fucking Bi-plane to catch it

By the time of 1943 that is

Up until 43 it was fine

but it was pushing it's luck that far

@Magos Squid "The Life Raft" During and post-war, testing showed that a single Mk108 30mm firing HEM needed only 5 rounds to cause catastrophic airframe failure on your average bomber.

Well yeah, that's the best thing they had

I'm talking about the average 20mm cannon

20mm HEM needed significantly more shells, something like 40-60, mainly because while it had a fuckload of HE per shell, it was still a tiny 20mm shell.

MG 151/20 and in comparison Hispano Mk.Vs, AN/M2s, and then whatever the fuck the Nips used

Meanwhile 30mm HEM model A had like... 85g of HE, more than most bomber-hunter 37mm guns had in their HE shells

Yeah, that's what I'm aware of, Rofl

If you scroll up, you'll see my point

@Magos Squid "The Life Raft" Type 99's mostly

Hispano V and AN/M2 were both far better with SAPI than HE

Type 99 was hot garbage

why tho

Just a ghetto-tier cannon

Like most guns the Nips had at the time

Does it shoot? Yes? Ok.

Last I checked it had shit veloicity, shit shells, shit construction, shit time between failure, just shit everything

The IJN literally loaded practice shells because they were more effective than their combat shells

F

"Hey guys, our guns jam constantly"
> "Just make it so you can un jam the ones in the nose from within the cockpit"
"Doesn't that say something about how shit it is?"
> "Nah man it'll be revolutionary"

Good ol' squint-eyes